win 11 25h2 home tips and trick for simple non users...
i am just a computer users mainly for games and a few programs
for music and art and email...

i used shut up 10 on win 10 upgraded to win 11 and all the win changes
stayed the same so that was good....

but now i keep getting request for upgrade to 25h2....

and it seems like this copilot and recall is going to be a head...

at this point win 11 home run great for me.. no problems with anything really...


thought tips trips would all be helpful...



thanks in advance
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Just upgrade, go through Privacy & Security settings see if any thing needs turning off that is there that you don't want.
I've ran Win 11 since launch and it's always been clean a clean looking OS with no real clutter when you do a quick tidy.
Since the launch of Win 11 till 25H2 my desktop has looked no different to this, no CoPilot, OneDrive and stuff has never come back.
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3595143654
Install CPUz and run the validator then post the results link here so people can see what your hardware configuration is.

Copilot is only going to get enabled by default on systems which have the required hardware support for it.

Secondly; if you are concerned with either copilot or recall and you're comfortable enough to have sought out Shut up 10; then there are a number of relatively easy tools you can use to have a similar experience on Windows 11, even with the most recent 25H2 update.

A good youtube channel for this is Chris Titus Tech and he's built a well regarded tool for optimizing and reasonably safe debloating of Windows.

https://www.youtube.com/c/ChrisTitusTech

You can use his tool to easily create a Windows installation USB Flash Drive (UFD) that he calls "microWin" that his tool will use the microsoft provided tooling to unpack the Windows 11 installation image, modify it to remove a bunch of the excess crap that is installed and/or "placeholder" installed, then re-pack it as a new .iso file that you can use for doing a clean install.

Then once you've finished doing that installation you can re-launch his tool and do the basic tweaks and then install and launch Shutup 11 right from his tool.

There are a plethora of other modified .iso images as well like Tiny11, etc. however, they do go a bit further in what they remove and how they remove things that is considered a bit more invasive than what CTT does. Tiny11 is also great but depending on what you're doing on your system you might find some more incompatibilities or potential issues down the line in comparison to the minimally invasive approach that CTT takes.

Basically the process for CTT microWin would be the following

  1. Go to Chris Titus Tech's Tool page[christitus.com]
  2. Follow the instructions to launch Terminal as admin
  3. Copy/paste the command to download and launch the tool
  4. Select the microWin button to start making the modified .iso image
  5. Follow his microWin 5 minute install video to help create your .iso file
  6. Install and use Rufus to create a new bootable UFD installation media from your modified microWin .iso image (as always make sure you don't have anything needed on the USB drive as it will be erased completely)
  7. Backup all of your needed data from your computer and make sure you have any files and/or programs you need/use available so you can reinstall them and copy your files back once you complete a clean installation
  8. Boot your system from the UFD installer and let it complete the installation
  9. After installation completes go back and do the same process to launch his CTT tool
  10. Select the Tweaks tab and then select the Standard profile; then click the Run Tweaks button to apply his basic tweaks.
  11. Use the Install tab to install any of the common programs you might want to be installed from the WinGet repository (e.g. other browsers, email clients, etc.)
  12. Enjoy your clean and performant Windows 11 without the telemetry and cruft.

EDIT: To note, his tool for creating the microWin iso will automatically create a local user account during install from what you specify in the tool when creating the iso image. You can still login to your microsoft account for specific features such as the microsoft store without having your user account be an "online microsoft account". Or alternatively if you want to use an online microsoft account to use the related features such as windows hello (face login), pin login, etc. then you can still convert the local user account that is created into an online account after installation is completed.
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i watched another youtube that talked about the Chris Titus tool

not actually looking to do any re installs just simple upgrade and tweaks here and there

my computer is i5 2070 with lights on my plenty of ram... and gives me very little to no trouble..
Originally posted by ( ( < < <20🤖1> > > ) ):
i watched another youtube that talked about the Chris Titus tool

not actually looking to do any re installs just simple upgrade and tweaks here and there

my computer is i5 2070 with lights on my plenty of ram... and gives me very little to no trouble..
Which Core i5. that is a model segment not a specific model. I'd still assume based on the RTX 2070 your CPU very likely doesn't have the hardware requirements for Copilot so you probably don't need to worry about that.

You can still also just launch his CTT toolbox and run the standard tweaks to disable some of the telemetry if you are otherwise satisfied with your current install.
Originally posted by PopinFRESH:
Originally posted by ( ( < < <20🤖1> > > ) ):
i watched another youtube that talked about the Chris Titus tool

not actually looking to do any re installs just simple upgrade and tweaks here and there

my computer is i5 2070 with lights on my plenty of ram... and gives me very little to no trouble..
Which Core i5. that is a model segment not a specific model. I'd still assume based on the RTX 2070 your CPU very likely doesn't have the hardware requirements for Copilot so you probably don't need to worry about that.

You can still also just launch his CTT toolbox and run the standard tweaks to disable some of the telemetry if you are otherwise satisfied with your current install.

i did have copilot installed when it first came out and i deleted somehow....

is this what you mean...

CPU Brand: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9600K CPU @ 3.70GHz

this is from the steam system data collector
Originally posted by ( ( < < <20🤖1> > > ) ):
Originally posted by PopinFRESH:
Which Core i5. that is a model segment not a specific model. I'd still assume based on the RTX 2070 your CPU very likely doesn't have the hardware requirements for Copilot so you probably don't need to worry about that.

You can still also just launch his CTT toolbox and run the standard tweaks to disable some of the telemetry if you are otherwise satisfied with your current install.

i did have copilot installed when it first came out and i deleted somehow....

is this what you mean...

CPU Brand: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9600K CPU @ 3.70GHz

this is from the steam system data collector

Yes, your system wouldn't support Copilot+ so what you would have had is essentially their rebranded "Cortana". You likely removed it via ShutUp10.

Originally posted by Windows 11 Copilot System Requirements:
Minimum system requirements for Copilot+ PCs

Copilot+ PCs are a new class of Windows 11 AI PCs that are powered by a turbocharged neural processing unit (NPU)—a specialized computer chip for AI-intensive processes like real-time translations and image generation— that can perform more than 40 trillion operations per second (TOPS).

To run unique Copilot+ PC experiences, customers will need to acquire new hardware. In addition to the minimum system requirements for Windows 11, Copilot+ PCs must include the following:

Processor: A compatible processor or System on a Chip (SoC) with an NPU capable of performing 40+ TOPS. This currently includes:
AMD Ryzen™ AI 300 series
Intel® Core™ Ultra 200V series
Snapdragon® X series
RAM: 16 GB DDR5/LPDDR5
Storage: 256 GB SSD/UFS
Specific features, plus apps and hardware that you add to your Copilot+ PC may have additional hardware, software, or other requirements, and these requirements may change over time.
hello

just download the current w11 iso and create an autounattented.xml using this site
https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/
Originally posted by PopinFRESH:
Originally posted by ( ( < < <20🤖1> > > ) ):

i did have copilot installed when it first came out and i deleted somehow....

is this what you mean...

CPU Brand: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9600K CPU @ 3.70GHz

this is from the steam system data collector

Yes, your system wouldn't support Copilot+ so what you would have had is essentially their rebranded "Cortana". You likely removed it via ShutUp10.

Originally posted by Windows 11 Copilot System Requirements:
Minimum system requirements for Copilot+ PCs

Copilot+ PCs are a new class of Windows 11 AI PCs that are powered by a turbocharged neural processing unit (NPU)—a specialized computer chip for AI-intensive processes like real-time translations and image generation— that can perform more than 40 trillion operations per second (TOPS).

To run unique Copilot+ PC experiences, customers will need to acquire new hardware. In addition to the minimum system requirements for Windows 11, Copilot+ PCs must include the following:

Processor: A compatible processor or System on a Chip (SoC) with an NPU capable of performing 40+ TOPS. This currently includes:
AMD Ryzen™ AI 300 series
Intel® Core™ Ultra 200V series
Snapdragon® X series
RAM: 16 GB DDR5/LPDDR5
Storage: 256 GB SSD/UFS
Specific features, plus apps and hardware that you add to your Copilot+ PC may have additional hardware, software, or other requirements, and these requirements may change over time.

I guess it was Cortana I got rid of then, pretty limited amount of PC's will have it I guess with them APU's needed, wonder if they will have a version that will run on GPU's, my 5090 has has approximately 3,352 AI TOPS, an all powerful Copilot!
Originally posted by wing0zero:
Originally posted by PopinFRESH:

Yes, your system wouldn't support Copilot+ so what you would have had is essentially their rebranded "Cortana". You likely removed it via ShutUp10.

I guess it was Cortana I got rid of then, pretty limited amount of PC's will have it I guess with them APU's needed, wonder if they will have a version that will run on GPU's, my 5090 has has approximately 3,352 AI TOPS, an all powerful Copilot!

No you probably had Copilot; there is Copilot and Copilot+.

Copilot is what initially launched as the replacement of Cortana on Windows 11 and was then added/back-ported to Windows 10. Copilot+ is the "enhanced" version with locally accelerated AI processing on the systems NPU. I was just generalizing in regards to the original Copilot being a "rebranded" cortana. It was more as Cortana was a more simplistic voice assistant where Copilot that replaced it is/was an actual AI model that leverages cloud processing. Cortana's cloud processing was pretty much limited to just processing the voice recognition and triggering pre-defined commands.

They both (Copilot and Copilot+) still do things "in the cloud" but the "+" has a smaller local model for doing the on-device things.

ShutUp10/11 should remove both afaik.

EDIT:
P.S. If you want to do "AI things" and actually want to do so locally you can download and install a plethora of LLM models depending on what you want to use it for. You can also do so on your local network with another system (e.g. akin to a server) if you don't want to run them locally on your PC using your systems resources.

For example you can download Ollama and install multiple models including Meta's Llama2/3/4 model for general chat things (like ChatGPT); or one of the large number of coding models for generative programing stuff, etc.
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