Glad i'm still on Windows 10
11 seems like a downgrade compared to 10 (MY new Laptop came with it installed)

Desktop is still on 10 with open shell start menu, (security is covered by Antivirus software)

I agree with the things said in this video and wonder how many others do too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3XLQMsQGGk

I think win 7 with SP1 is the last decent version of Windows.
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first post!

they will turn the switch by forced migration .
directx
win12
app store forced update (google does this)
browser requirements
etc....
Last edited by Numlock587; 25 Oct @ 6:17pm
I'm gonna stay on 3.1 for a few more years I think.
Rod 25 Oct @ 7:18pm 
Originally posted by Numlock587:
first post!

they will turn the switch by forced migration .
directx
win12
app store forced update (google does this)
browser requirements
etc....

By then hopefully steam os has arrived. I do wonder how long i have until they try to force me. Right now i have a backlog that all works on 10 and could last me maybe two years. So its not really a problem for me right now. I do not browse on the gaming rig as long as Steam works im good.
Guydodge 25 Oct @ 7:42pm 
really all the same crap again said the same thing about going to win 7 then win 10 now win 11 how quickly we forget.but i'll play along yes the sky is falling ...lmao
Originally posted by Rod:
By then hopefully steam os has arrived.
Just switch to Linux. What's the problem?
Originally posted by Guydodge:
really all the same crap again said the same thing about going to win 7 then win 10 now win 11 how quickly we forget.but i'll play along yes the sky is falling ...lmao


No body was against going to Windows 7 and the Windows 10 issues was forced upgrades that broke machines.

You are literally just making stuff up to fit your narrative. If your point requires lies then you dont have a point.
Originally posted by kiwikev:
11 seems like a downgrade compared to 10 (MY new Laptop came with it installed)

Desktop is still on 10 with open shell start menu, (security is covered by Antivirus software)

I agree with the things said in this video and wonder how many others do too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3XLQMsQGGk

I think win 7 with SP1 is the last decent version of Windows.

Well Windows 11 I did notice less stutter in some games.
For me WIndows 11 - only for games.
Some games require it.

Linux for pretty much all else.
Guydodge 26 Oct @ 8:04pm 
Originally posted by The_Abortionator:
Originally posted by Guydodge:
really all the same crap again said the same thing about going to win 7 then win 10 now win 11 how quickly we forget.but i'll play along yes the sky is falling ...lmao


No body was against going to Windows 7 and the Windows 10 issues was forced upgrades that broke machines.

You are literally just making stuff up to fit your narrative. If your point requires lies then you dont have a point.
were you around for win 7 they certainly did complain its happened on every single window OS ive been there from the DOS days.its not a narrative its called facts.
ZAP 26 Oct @ 8:17pm 
Yeah I'd never use 11 for anything ever. This forum will become a Hall of Shame in the future for all of these accounts desperately defending 11 at all costs.
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I’m glad I switched to Linux.
I haven't tried windows 11 and don't want to, windows 10 was a chore to setup the way I liked it and I have no interest in searching the internet for solutions.
I wonder what would happen to Windows if Steam said that future games have to support SteamOS - Linux or they can't be sold on it's platform.
Last edited by °§hªwÑéë·; 26 Oct @ 9:53pm
Originally posted by Guydodge:
Originally posted by The_Abortionator:


No body was against going to Windows 7 and the Windows 10 issues was forced upgrades that broke machines.

You are literally just making stuff up to fit your narrative. If your point requires lies then you dont have a point.
were you around for win 7 they certainly did complain its happened on every single window OS ive been there from the DOS days.its not a narrative its called facts.
I remember it every OS, it also goes outside OS's.
A funny example I always like is when they introduced electric street lights, people were convinced it was some kind of government scheme against the people, Pope Gregory XVI condemned street lights and telegraph poles lol, look when 5G came we were all dead, must have been some hiccup in the plan.

Originally posted by °§hªwÑéë·:
I haven't tried windows 11 and don't want to, windows 10 was a chore to setup the way I liked it
Man that's a frame of mind, if someone said to me build a bridge or even plan and execute a colony to Mars, I would be like man that's a chore, setting up Windows not so much...

Originally posted by ZAP:
Yeah I'd never use 11 for anything ever. This forum will become a Hall of Shame in the future for all of these accounts desperately defending 11 at all costs.
No one is defending MS decisions just rather not crying about it and just turning the stuff off we don't want.
Last edited by wing0zero; 27 Oct @ 8:26am
x 27 Oct @ 9:30am 
I am not going to move to W11, but absolutely nobody is forcing people to move to W11. There are plenty of options. One of them is stay with W10. I got a few prompts to update to W11, said "don't ask me again" and that was it. W10 is not going to stop working, the computers are not going to explode.
Another avenue is linux. There are many distros, some more accessible than others to the "common" user. And you can do, IDK, 80/85/90% of what you do on windows. Maybe even more. Sure, it's not the same, but that is exactly the point. Being different. I honestly don't get why people rant and vent and shout about W11 but then don't take the effort to work with an option.
I've used linux before. And every time I found "little" issues that maybe I could have wrestled with and make it work but (lazy me) decided to stay with W10 (or XP back in the day).
But now? Sure as hell am not going to W11, so I'm again going to give linux a real proper try. And linux is getting better IMO. More installer and user friendly.
Other thing is companies. I don't get it. Most companies absolutely don't need windows. They can run everything on linux based servers and even some of the "windows" programs can be run on linux in one way or the other. Or, a lot use "web based" services that are pretty much independent of any OS. But still they prefer to pay windows server software, windows and office licences, VMs and a bunch more paid (and well paid) solutions. That can add up to a lot of money. W10 + MSOffice can be about 300-400 euros over here. No way!!! Sure, you can get them a lot cheaper on key sites (I did).
My company has access (legally) to non profit and education office 365 and windows and I still think we are wasting money. The entire office365 ecosystem is really bad. I've been using it for work for about 10 years now and it sucks big time. Even the free google docs/drive/spreadsheets is better.
So yeah... most of all people (me included) and companies need to stop being lazy and need to roll up their sleeves if they want better, cheaper software that won't eat up their data. People learned to use windows and office. People learned to use smartphones, smart tvs and a bunch of other smart devices. Are we too dumb and lazy to now learn linux? I know there are going to be "little" things that linux can't yet deliver when compared to windows, sure. But if more move towards linux, that will also force software and service providers to up their game. Maybe my cloud service will put out a better linux version of their app. Besides, as it is, Linux can "revive" older machines. Save money, save ewaste...
Also, the public sector needs to move away from MS. We have been listening to politicians and public entities talk about how good linux can be in education... hell. In the 90s I had to learn unix at school and the school didn't have any version of unix. Even the photocopies of the manual we had were 10 years old at the time. At uni we have linux. Poorly installed, poorly maintained, outdate and we couldn't even save our work because the server was always out of disk space... and some software was so old that we needed to use emulators... so yeah, learn on that.
But linux isn't some ethereal thing nobody knows about. I have no idea how many, but most webservers and services run on linux already. So why not start implementing more internal servers for that? There are more than enough qualified people to get started. And more will come. It's not that hard to learn the ropes. Even I can learn it and I'm not getting any younger.
Honestly, I think this entire crap MS has been pulling is the best thing that could have happened to linux and, in consequence, to us. More users, better linux and better support for linux, no doubt about it. With more users software providers will be allocating more resources to it. But we also have to make the extra effort. I will try my part. Have currently 4 computers (well, 3, one is being "built") at home and sure will be moving to linux. If not solo, at least have it dual boot. One things is certain, W11 is going to have a hard time convincing me.
I have a computer that is used for media centre only. All I need is a web browser and VLC. There is absolutely no excuse for me to be running windows... only laziness. Besides, my previous media centre was a core2duo that wouldn't even boot windows10. Ran absolutely fine on with linux.
malaria 27 Oct @ 10:32am 
Originally posted by x:
Honestly, I think this entire crap MS has been pulling is the best thing that could have happened to linux and, in consequence, to us. More users, better linux and better support for linux, no doubt about it. With more users software providers will be allocating more resources to it.
Everytime Michaelsoft screws up people say that this will be what finally pushes people over to Linux and it never happens lololol, besides needing Windows for compatibility with some programs I use daily, I'd personally make the switch over myself if the community wasn't so unbearable and actually tried to help people whenever they have some issue instead of swarming threads with unbearable snarky comments when someone clearly new to the OS doesn't know how to use the console
Last edited by malaria; 27 Oct @ 10:33am
x 27 Oct @ 11:01am 
Originally posted by malaria:
Originally posted by x:
Honestly, I think this entire crap MS has been pulling is the best thing that could have happened to linux and, in consequence, to us. More users, better linux and better support for linux, no doubt about it. With more users software providers will be allocating more resources to it.
Everytime Michaelsoft screws up people say that this will be what finally pushes people over to Linux and it never happens lololol, besides needing Windows for compatibility with some programs I use daily, I'd personally make the switch over myself if the community wasn't so unbearable and actually tried to help people whenever they have some issue instead of swarming threads with unbearable snarky comments when someone clearly new to the OS doesn't know how to use the console

I've also ran into compatibility issues and have been too lazy to address some of them, I admit. But if more people move to linux, the more pressure will be on software providers to address those issues. Most of them are no a linux issue, but rather an issue with the software (I know, ends up being the same). But if we all complain and just get onto W11, then nothing will change and microsoft will just keep rubbing their hands and be happy about it.
Newer distros like Bazzite or steamOS pretty much require zero console knowledge (I know pretty much is not zero, but it's a start). And honestly... using the console and other more "advanced" methods should be a priority for users. Even in windows. If you want to fine tune and optimise windows, there are a few little "advanced" things you must know. Be it how to "manually" change drivers, how to use partitions, set GPU settings. My computer came from the shop with a Ryzen 5 processor, 3200MHz ram... and XMP was not on and ram set to 2166MHz or something like that. How many people are using PCs below their "specs" because they are not fine tuned? Shouldn't we be at least aware of such things? Shouldn't we check the air pressure of the tyres in the car every so often?
I always turn off windows indexing services at startup and the different is quite significant. I even chose a very lightweight desktop image as to not eat up a tonne of resources with a heavier file or some carrousel. Everyone should make knowing some of those little "tricks" a priority. Same with windows and linux. Besides, Linux is free.. windows + office pro costs 300-400 euros where I live. That surely is worth the money to put in some hours into it.
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