Would the i7 12700k or KF be a noticeable upgrade to i5 12600kf?

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VALORHEART 16 Aug @ 3:37pm

The title says it. Thinking about to jump to 8 p-cores if it gives any benefits for gaming.

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Originally posted by AmaiAmai:

Originally posted by VALORHEART:

Actually I had 7900x to die on me and that is why i changed to Intel, bought the 12600kf because it was the cheapest and i could not afford more than that, thought do upgrade later on if needed.

2 days ago I sold my b650 motherboard to a person who also said her 7600x not booting up and it gives DRAM and cpu lights on mobo, but she thought its motherboard is the fault but going from my experience i knew it is CPU dead because mine had same lights on mobo when cpu was gone. i told her but she did not listen and bought my board anyway. guess that cpu failure on zen4 is more common than intels 13th and 14th gens.

Sounds far-fetched, but whatever you say.

Anyway, from i5 to i7 you'd likely see nearly no real gain in gaming on average where your current CPU is limited. That's because most gaming applications won't be using the CPU, where they do, you'd almost always be limited by floating point performance or elsewhere.

On the same exact CPU generation with the same architecture, adding more cores does little to improve that bottleneck and won't be worth the squeeze unless the games you play actually utilise the additional cores. The games that do that are not the majority. The majority of games aren't using 12-16 cores.

Problem is, with more and more games using bad engines like UE 5 you can bet the difference will shrink to an amount most would never upgrade for once you get the "average" performance gain.

In that situation more cores (2-4 more) almost always won't be better than a newer architecture with better handling of instructions and better performance in general even at the expense of core count, especially if the software is poorly coded.

Now someone can show you a synthetic benchmark or game where it matters, but those games will also be performing at level where it doesn't matter anyway. And they also aren't recently released on these "modern" engines.

Long story short, sounds like a waste unless you have money to burn. If I had any recent CPU release, that'd be the last thing I would look at upgrading unless it was extremely cheap to do so.

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nullable 16 Aug @ 3:40pm

What do the reviews and benchmarks show?

I personally wouldn't do it, but that's 50% my bauses.

Exception would be if i got the 12700 for a pittance.

Rumpelcrutchskin 16 Aug @ 3:43pm

Doubtful you would see any significant difference.

MBK 16 Aug @ 3:44pm

peremptor 16 Aug @ 3:51pm

might as well go for a 13700k or the refresh version. That offers more e-cores as well and better ipc overall.

VALORHEART 16 Aug @ 4:02pm

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:
Doubtful you would see any significant difference.

How about I change Mobo to ddr5 ? Would it be any difference? Rn I got ddr4 at 3200 spped

peremptor 16 Aug @ 4:08pm

Originally posted by VALORHEART:
Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:
Doubtful you would see any significant difference.

How about I change Mobo to ddr5 ? Would it be any difference? Rn I got ddr4 at 3200 spped

Not worth going through the hassle and expense... just get a 14700k used off ebay on a good deal and call it a day... it will be a nice overall improvement on the 12600k for minimal investment.

peremptor 16 Aug @ 4:10pm

Just checked ebay you can get 13700ks for around 200 bucks if you're patient. The 14700k isn't worth paying more than a 5 dollar premium if that. Your current cpu sells for around 100 bucks used so... 100 dollar for a nice upgrade.

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_I_ 16 Aug @ 6:12pm

12700k has 2 more cores with ht, and slightly higher base/boost clocks than 12600k
f only indicates no igpu, no other differences, so you will gain use of its igpu

if you can get a cheap 13-14 gen i5-i7 k cpu, that would be ok til it fails
just save the current one

imho, not worth the ~$200 usd upgrade
if you are willing to spend another $150-200 for cpu/mobo, moving to amd would be more worth the upgrade

peremptor 16 Aug @ 6:42pm

Originally posted by _I_:
12700k has 2 more cores with ht, and slightly higher base/boost clocks than 12600k
f only indicates no igpu, no other differences, so you will gain use of its igpu

if you can get a cheap 13-14 gen i5-i7 k cpu, that would be ok til it fails
just save the current one

imho, not worth the ~$200 usd upgrade
if you are willing to spend another $150-200 for cpu/mobo, moving to amd would be more worth the upgrade

Naw... getting a 13700k and selling his current cpu would be cheap and a nice boost on what he's got without having to do anything else extra. Where are you getting tthat just 150-200 dollars more cost for an am5 system from?

To get a sizable boost on what he has and to make it worth changing to am5 for gaming he's looking to acquire at least a 7800x3D chip and that requires 275 bucks (the CPU used on ebay if you wait for a good price) + 150 or so for a decent AM5 motherboad plus another 100 bucks to get 32 gigs of good ddr5 ram. That's minimum 525 dollars for this upgrade... where are you getting 350-400 from?

Sure he can try to sell his old mobo+cpu+memory combo but that would be a lot more of a hassle than just selling his cpu of by itself.

Well I'm sure the OP is smart enough to go do research on his own about this and what he wants from his gaming PC but the 13700k is a nice cheap simple boost for a system that honestly is still good enough to run any current game well.

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_I_ 16 Aug @ 7:31pm

if near a microcenter, something like this
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006968/amd-ryzen-7-7700x,-gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

7700x with decent board and ram for $370 +tax

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DefinitelyNotMonk 16 Aug @ 8:57pm

Originally posted by _I_:
if near a microcenter, something like this
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006968/amd-ryzen-7-7700x,-gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

7700x with decent board and ram for $370 +tax

It would be a side grade at best for double the price.

AMD is not a golden bullet instantly better option.

The 9000 series is the first one where the performance really jumps ahead and has minimal dips and stutters.

The 7000 series chips are not worth the cost to swap to.

Even with 9000 series the only real thing you will notice is max fps numbers, which most don't have the rest of the hardware to take advantage of anyway.

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VALORHEART 16 Aug @ 9:13pm

Originally posted by DefinitelyNotMonk:
Originally posted by _I_:
if near a microcenter, something like this
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006968/amd-ryzen-7-7700x,-gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

7700x with decent board and ram for $370 +tax

It would be a side grade at best for double the price.

AMD is not a golden bullet instantly better option.

The 9000 series is the first one where the performance really jumps ahead and has minimal dips and stutters.

The 7000 series chips are not worth the cost to swap to.

Even with 9000 series the only real thing you will notice is max fps numbers, which most don't have the rest of the hardware to take advantage of anyway.

Actually I had 7900x to die on me and that is why i changed to Intel, bought the 12600kf because it was the cheapest and i could not afford more than that, thought do upgrade later on if needed.

2 days ago I sold my b650 motherboard to a person who also said her 7600x not booting up and it gives DRAM and cpu lights on mobo, but she thought its motherboard is the fault but going from my experience i knew it is CPU dead because mine had same lights on mobo when cpu was gone. i told her but she did not listen and bought my board anyway. guess that cpu failure on zen4 is more common than intels 13th and 14th gens.

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peremptor 16 Aug @ 9:21pm

Originally posted by _I_:
if near a microcenter, something like this
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006968/amd-ryzen-7-7700x,-gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

7700x with decent board and ram for $370 +tax

That isn't better than just getting a 13700k and calliing it a day... but it's a pretty good price overall for sure if you're starting a new system and you got a microcenter near you (which unfortunately a lot us dont).

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peremptor 16 Aug @ 9:25pm

Originally posted by DefinitelyNotMonk:
Originally posted by _I_:
if near a microcenter, something like this
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006968/amd-ryzen-7-7700x,-gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

7700x with decent board and ram for $370 +tax

It would be a side grade at best for double the price.

AMD is not a golden bullet instantly better option.

The 9000 series is the first one where the performance really jumps ahead and has minimal dips and stutters.

The 7000 series chips are not worth the cost to swap to.

Even with 9000 series the only real thing you will notice is max fps numbers, which most don't have the rest of the hardware to take advantage of anyway.

I agree. Imo go for value I mean that microcenter kit is great for the price but depends what you are coming from... am4 super... but he's got access to up to a 13th/14th gen i9... he's got better options and he can always overclock the ram for even better for performance which intel is quite sensitive to.

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peremptor 16 Aug @ 9:26pm

Originally posted by VALORHEART:
Originally posted by DefinitelyNotMonk:

It would be a side grade at best for double the price.

AMD is not a golden bullet instantly better option.

The 9000 series is the first one where the performance really jumps ahead and has minimal dips and stutters.

The 7000 series chips are not worth the cost to swap to.

Even with 9000 series the only real thing you will notice is max fps numbers, which most don't have the rest of the hardware to take advantage of anyway.

Actually I had 7900x to die on me and that is why i changed to Intel, bought the 12600kf because it was the cheapest and i could not afford more than that, thought do upgrade later on if needed.

2 days ago I sold my b650 motherboard to a person who also said her 7600x not booting up and it gives DRAM and cpu lights on mobo, but she thought its motherboard is the fault but going from my experience i knew it is CPU dead because mine had same lights on mobo when cpu was gone. i told her but she did not listen and bought my board anyway. guess that cpu failure on zen4 is more common than intels 13th and 14th gens.

Just get a 13700k on ebay... 200 bucks and sell your own to get around half of that back... that system you got is still got for a couple of years at least and even more than that depending on how hardcore/competitive your gaming is.

Heck I was going to get a 9900x system but went with a 265k myself just because i got a crazy good deal on newegg a few months ago. I don't need the best of the best and I always got the option to overclock my ram for even more performance.

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