Originally posted by TwoWhoBelong ワイリム Eliwan:

I would like to, more than /just/ launch the game from Steam; be able to manually tell my client that it's on Steam, and therefore have the quick-links to the Store Page, Community Hub, & Discussions present, instead of having to go find them.

But it is not on Steam. It is added as a non Steam game. It was not purchased on Steam and why features are missing.

Why should Steam offer Steam functionality for copies of games obtained outside of Steam? What financial incentive would there be for Valve if you simply could, let's say, get the same game for free on Epic as part of their free game of the week offer while you would have had to pay for the same game on Steam?

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

But it is not on Steam. It is added as a non Steam game. It was not purchased on Steam and why certain features are missing.

But the game in question is on Steam. It is not difficult - in fact, rather trivial in a well built system - to add a fall through case.

This game was bought through Steam -> The "tab" for that game in your library includes links to the Store Page, Community Hub, Discussions, Guides, Support.

Those links all use the same single number - the steam application ID. They're all "gtm.steamproxy.vip/app/«APP_ID»/subpage" - except store is store.steampowered.

Fundamentally, Aiko's Choice is Aiko's Choice regardless of purchase location:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1579380/Shadow_Tactics_Aikos_Choice/
https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/shadow-tactics-aikos-choice-5678c1

And that is a game that is on Steam, so as an end-user, I should be able to tell it "When I go to this non-steam game's page in my library, pretend that it is actually this steam game".

Sure, this has the 'abuse' that you can tell your steam client to serve you an irrelevant webpage, I guess; but it's not like Steam's servers aren't serving up that webpage regularly.

The problem I seek to solve here is that, if I want to go to the steam community hub for any non-steam game, I have to first... search up what the heck its steam app ID is every single time I want to go there.

This is a single short string, that the user account could easily store and generate those links for me, making for a much better and cleaner user experience that would keep me local to steam; instead of going to a different place to have any discussion, instead of having to awkwardly navigate through the library, search up the game by name every day to go find that group again because I sure can't memorize even ten steam app IDs, let alone the over thirty community hubs I actually irregularly check.

Originally posted by Ettanin:

Why should Steam offer Steam functionality for copies of games obtained outside of Steam? What financial incentive would there be for Valve if you simply could, let's say, get the same game for free on Epic as part of their free game of the week offer while you would have had to pay for the game on Steam?

Being an actually good client would make me use Steam more; while the lack of connecting to these hubs makes me feel hollow and disappointed when looking at the game on Steam...

Which causes me to use other clients more because they're not so empty when I look at my games library. It would keep users on Steam to have community interaction more accessible, and creates a very pleasant all-in-one experience, which while not profitable to itself is something that could once again be pointed to as "Look, Steam is just very good and has X and Y and Z and and and"; which is a substantial part of why Steam is good, that total domination of simply Having Good Features.

Originally posted by TwoWhoBelong ワイリム Eliwan:

But the game in question is on Steam.

In your opening post you made zero mention of a particular game, just words non Steam game.

Secondly you did not buy it on Steam hence why features are missing.

If you want the features buy it on Steam.

you'll need to purchase the steam version or only add as non steam game and use the epic games great features like no forum, no hub no community and no uploads. the money you save on getting free games on epic makes up for the lack of non steam game features you get when adding non steam game.
fyi you didnt even pay for your epic game "purchase" and you want steam features for free.

Originally posted by TwoWhoBelong ワイリム Eliwan:

Originally posted by Ettanin:

Why should Steam offer Steam functionality for copies of games obtained outside of Steam? What financial incentive would there be for Valve if you simply could, let's say, get the same game for free on Epic as part of their free game of the week offer while you would have had to pay for the game on Steam?

Being an actually good client would make me use Steam more; while the lack of connecting to these hubs makes me feel hollow and disappointed when looking at the game on Steam...

Which causes me to use other clients more because they're not so empty when I look at my games library. It would keep users on Steam to have community interaction more accessible, and creates a very pleasant all-in-one experience, which while not profitable to itself is something that could once again be pointed to as "Look, Steam is just very good and has X and Y and Z and and and"; which is a substantial part of why Steam is good, that total domination of simply Having Good Features.

Valve is big enough that such lack of outside compatibility doesn't matter, therefore they don't need functions that will give them more exposure. In fact, adding that compatibility in will potentially affect their bottom line negatively because they don't get a sale if you simply buy outside of Steam.

The 30% of your purchase pays for those features. If you buy outside of Steam, you didn't pay for these features, therefore you aren't entitled to them.

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

In your opening post you made zero mention of a particular game, just words non Steam game.

Also in opening post:
> Manually link nonsteam game to steam page hub
> tell my client that it's on Steam,

I did not make mention of a particular game because the purpose of the statement is generic. My apologies for the lack of clarity, I had believed that "steam page hub" would imply excluding anything that lacks a steam page, such as games that are not on steam.

Originally posted by eram:

you'll need to purchase the steam version or only add as non steam game and use the epic games great features like no forum, no hub no community and no uploads. the money you save on getting free games on epic makes up for the lack of non steam game features you get when adding non steam game.

Originally posted by Ettanin:

The 30% of your purchase pays for those features. If you buy outside of Steam, you didn't pay for these features, therefore you aren't entitled to them.

I believe something very crucial about what I am saying has been missed. The Steam community hubs already exist. Anyone can already view and post in those communities.

The things that the Steam Client provides to games, such as the overlay, controller support, and launch options; all already work for non-Steam games.

For games you own through Steam, there's simply a collection of links below the Play button. These then let you go to a webpage.

The "feature" I'm talking about is as simple as having these page links.

Originally posted by TwoWhoBelong ワイリム Eliwan:

The "feature" I'm talking about is as simple as having these page links.

you didn't pay for these links so you shouldn't have them.

If you want steam features for a game... buy the game on steam. You should not get extra features if you bought a non-steam version somewhere else.

Originally posted by TwoWhoBelong ワイリム Eliwan:

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

In your opening post you made zero mention of a particular game, just words non Steam game.

Also in opening post:
> Manually link nonsteam game to steam page hub
> tell my client that it's on Steam,

I did not make mention of a particular game because the purpose of the statement is generic. My apologies for the lack of clarity, I had believed that "steam page hub" would imply excluding anything that lacks a steam page, such as games that are not on steam.

Originally posted by eram:

you'll need to purchase the steam version or only add as non steam game and use the epic games great features like no forum, no hub no community and no uploads. the money you save on getting free games on epic makes up for the lack of non steam game features you get when adding non steam game.

Originally posted by Ettanin:

The 30% of your purchase pays for those features. If you buy outside of Steam, you didn't pay for these features, therefore you aren't entitled to them.

I believe something very crucial about what I am saying has been missed. The Steam community hubs already exist. Anyone can already view and post in those communities.

The things that the Steam Client provides to games, such as the overlay, controller support, and launch options; all already work for non-Steam games.

For games you own through Steam, there's simply a collection of links below the Play button. These then let you go to a webpage.

The "feature" I'm talking about is as simple as having these page links.

you missed something crucial , you didnt pay a penny on steam or epic for the game so are limited to the features you can add.

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

If you want steam features for a game... buy the game on steam. You should not get extra features if you bought a non-steam version somewhere else.

it was free on epic multiple times over the last few years. i own it from one of the times it was put out for free.

Originally posted by TwoWhoBelong ワイリム Eliwan:

Also in opening post:
> Manually link nonsteam game to steam page hub
> tell my client that it's on Steam,

Again it is not on Steam because you added it as a non Steam game.

So we go vack to you did not buy it on Steam hence why features are missing.

If you want Steam features buy it on Steam.

I have both Shadow Tactics: Blade of the Shogun and Aiko's Choice and I have all those features because I bought them on Steam.

You did not even buy it on Epic it was given away free. Why not use all the features Epic offers? Oh! Wait there are none. No game forums, no hubs, no community hub etc.

Originally posted by Ettanin:

you didn't pay for these links so you shouldn't have them.

That is a ridiculous argument and I refuse to believe that you are not fully aware of that fact.

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

If you want steam features for a game... buy the game on steam. You should not get extra features if you bought a non-steam version somewhere else.

By this logic, I shouldn't be able to have a Steam overlay in a non-steam game.

Except I can, because Steam does care to let you use Steam features in a non-steam game.

Originally posted by eram:

you missed something crucial , you didnt pay a penny on steam or epic for the game so are limited to the features you can add.

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

You did not even buy it on Epic it was given away free. Why not use all the features Epic offers? Oh! Wait there are none. No game forums, no hubs, no community hub etc.

I do not understand the point you two are making with these statements.

Most obviously, wow, because it was free at some point inherently means I didn't buy it. That's just... not true, and I could pick a different game if you'd rather. Would you say this against Age of Empires, Civilization, Dark Souls, Factorio, Halo, Hero's Hour, Undertale?

The game, its giveaways, and price are all completely irrelevant. Free games on Steam have a community hub, whether they are permanently free or were part of a giveaway.

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

I read it and yet again you did not buy it on Steam hence why features are missing.

You are clearly not understanding what I am saying, however, and I am clearly incapable of explaining it to you in a way you will choose to comprehend.

The difficult feature - that is, the existence of the game in the steam store and thus a community hub - already exists. The notion of a library game having a link to pages below its play button is already there, it simply needs to be populated with content.

pick another example then and it will be the same.

you dont own the game on steam so you are limited to steams features.

Originally posted by TwoWhoBelong ワイリム Eliwan:

Originally posted by Ettanin:

you didn't pay for these links so you shouldn't have them.

That is a ridiculous argument and I refuse to believe that you are not fully aware of that fact.

It sounds ridiculuous, yes, but it's actually how it's meant to be. You want the additional Steam features, you buy the game on Steam. Simple as.

Originally posted by TwoWhoBelong ワイリム Eliwan:

Most obviously, wow, because it was free at some point inherently means I didn't buy it.

You can prove you bought it on Epic by linking an edited screenshot removing your account name.

Originally posted by TwoWhoBelong ワイリム Eliwan:

You are clearly not understanding what I am saying, however, and I am clearly incapable of explaining it to you in a way you will choose to comprehend.

I clearly do understand.

You want Steam features for a game you did not buy on Steam.

In order to have those features you have to buy the game on Steam as those are the benefits of buying the game on Steam.

Have you contacted Epic about the lack of features on their store? That would solve the problem of games lacking features on their store. Game hubs, Community hubs etc.

What next? You have God of War on PSN so you should get a free copy on Steam.

As for:

Originally posted by TwoWhoBelong ワイリム Eliwan:

Free games on Steam have a community hub, whether they are permanently free or were part of a giveaway.

Because those games are on Steam. They are not added a non Steam Games.