Agreed. I was talking to a friend about this the other day. There needs to be a consumer label for games that use AI.

Just ban it from the storefront and be done with it.

Originally posted by Amaterasu:

Just ban it from the storefront and be done with it.

This.

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/valve-ceo-gabe-newell-claims-ai-is-a-cheat-code-to-success-3233272/

I mean, when you have Gabe Newell saying stuff like this, it's kind of hard to ignore. I don't think it should be restricted on Steam, but I don't think people should be forced to use it. There is a massive psyops to stop people from using AI since it can be extremely useful.

Originally posted by McFlurry Butts:

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/valve-ceo-gabe-newell-claims-ai-is-a-cheat-code-to-success-3233272/

I mean, when you have Gabe Newell saying stuff like this, it's kind of hard to ignore. I don't think it should be restricted on Steam, but I don't think people should be forced to use it. There is a massive psyops to stop people from using AI since it can be extremely useful.

Ah yes, that's what we're calling a bunch of artists that are pissed off that we're being stolen from now. A psyops.

Hey, just a question. If you made a chair and you were real proud of that chair, but someone came in and stole that chair saying, "It's mine now." and then just started frakensteining that chair into other chairs while you get no money from it... how would you feel about that?

Because that's what AI does. Not with chairs... yet, but with literature, drawings, paintings, music...

Having a filter is agnostic of one's feelings.

If you're for AI, you can search for just AI generated games. If you're not, you can filter them out.

If you don't care either way, you never mess with it.

It's a win-win for everyone. Doesn't need to be antagonistic.

Originally posted by McFlurry Butts:

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/valve-ceo-gabe-newell-claims-ai-is-a-cheat-code-to-success-3233272/

I mean, when you have Gabe Newell saying stuff like this, it's kind of hard to ignore. I don't think it should be restricted on Steam, but I don't think people should be forced to use it. There is a massive psyops to stop people from using AI since it can be extremely useful.

People are really desperate to pretend reading a work and using it as a style guide is infringement now because Youtube taught them to get mad about it, despite courts having upheld this as fair use. Artists no doubt thought the camera was an evil shortcut too.

That having been said, I am perfectly fine to see the anti-AIbros have a filter if we can also get similar filters for third party launchers, similar DRM, and kernel level modules. Win win for everyone. I may disagree with their feelings but there's really no sense in denying them procedurally like this, as their feelings are honestly held.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by McFlurry Butts:

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/valve-ceo-gabe-newell-claims-ai-is-a-cheat-code-to-success-3233272/

I mean, when you have Gabe Newell saying stuff like this, it's kind of hard to ignore. I don't think it should be restricted on Steam, but I don't think people should be forced to use it. There is a massive psyops to stop people from using AI since it can be extremely useful.

People are really desperate to pretend reading a work and using it as a style guide is infringement now because Youtube taught them to get mad about it, despite courts having upheld this as fair use.

There's a difference between reading a guide and literally plagiarizing

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

That having been said, I am perfectly fine to see the anti-AIbros have a filter if we can also get similar filters for third party launchers, similar DRM, and kernel level modules. Win win for everyone. I may disagree with their feelings but there's really no sense in denying them procedurally like this.

This... actually is something I can get behind and would make a concession towards.

It’s not possible since every graphics platform uses generative AI to some extent. It’s why you have the same few clowns in every thread suggesting it that don’t understand what AI is, how it functions or how it is integrated into software. I have watched people spend all day explaining it to them and you still get the same “just ban it” spam. It will never happen so it’s better to just get used to the fact that software and tools evolve over time regardless of how subjectively morally correct you feel it is.

Originally posted by Shreddy:

It’s not possible since every graphics platform uses generative AI to some extent. It’s why you have the same few clowns in every thread suggesting it that don’t understand what AI is, how it functions or how it is integrated into software. I have watched people spend all day explaining it to them and you still get the same “just ban it” spam. It will never happen so it’s better to just get used to the fact that software and tools evolve over time regardless of how subjectively morally correct you feel it is.

Valve's original stated reason for the disclosure requirement was that the AI represented an unsettled question of legal rights. If courts continue to uphold it as fair use, it is not unreasonable to suspect Valve might remove the diclosure requirement entirely but predicting what Valve will do is seldom a winning game.

We have text AI winning double blind tests now. And eventually we are going to have to deal with people who are good enough at it that it isn't obvious and aren't so honest about declaring it in advance. The witch hunts from that are gonna be something.

But Valve has the data now and so a toggle can be provided.

Originally posted by McFlurry Butts:

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/valve-ceo-gabe-newell-claims-ai-is-a-cheat-code-to-success-3233272/

I mean, when you have Gabe Newell saying stuff like this, it's kind of hard to ignore. I don't think it should be restricted on Steam, but I don't think people should be forced to use it. There is a massive psyops to stop people from using AI since it can be extremely useful.

This quote is about stuff like VACnet where machine learning provides actual benefits to society. It's not about slop. You don't become a better accountant by making a blurry picture of sonic the hedgehog with three arms.