Originally posted by Hammer Of Evil:

United states senators have put steam in the crosshairs about once a year. Do you really like that kind of attention?

They focus on anywhere and everywhere due to trends especially when someone has an account somewhere and did terrorism. More of a "are you doing enough or do we need to have our friends take over?" sort of thing, which Valve has little to worry about.

Originally posted by Hammer Of Evil:

Gabe Newell is now required to appear before congressional oversight committee.

Invitation, basically "do you moderate? yes? ok you can go". Unlike other services, they're not there to be put in the crosshairs and likely he wont even have to go there.

Originally posted by Hammer Of Evil:

Please ban all political and religious references in the forums, comment sections and steam groups.

They'd if anything just re-ban it in their main discussions but leave groups to moderate their own, just like game hubs would moderate their own or make their own rules within reason. Though best people took it somewhere else.

Originally posted by Hammer Of Evil:

Unplug steam from the tribal schizoposters, and hand out PERMANENT community bans for people who cannot do anything except spam politics all day.

I'm amazed some people that turn nearly anything & everything into being political & lashing out at users over perceived difference of opinions/ideology don't already get these for that exact sort of activity. Though many have quite extensive histories with moderation for doing that

The root cause is developers trying to shoehorn their activism and quite frankly vile political views into games. It’s prevalent in the forums for western AAA slop because the developers want it to be, when you look at other games that don’t have that type of ideology behind them it’s very rare to see any mention of politics on their forums.

I made this exact thread 6 times or so now if I am counting correctly. I'm probably not.

However, it's evident Valve doesn't read these forums anymore and use it as a way of paper-shredding people's complaints and concerns, making people feel empowered in the process when in reality, their complaints fall on deaf ears.

How hard is to stay of offtopic

Originally posted by TBS AlexDK:

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I'm in my mid-30s, I've been gaming since 1992. There have been good games, there have been bad games, there have been mediocre games.

A lot of games that came out back then would be decried as "woke" and the "modern audience" games if they had come out today instead of in the past. Just to name a few, yes, just a few... Metroid, Bioshock, Street Fighter II(Even though Ken canonically wins the tournament and beats Bison, not Chun-Li), Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Mortal Kombat(For the reason that 5 out of the seven fighters are Asians, yes, before the Retcon, Kano was Asian, specifically Half-Japanese), Final Fantasy IV(as would VI, and definitely VII), Dino Crisis, Parasite Eve, Age of Empires 2(Y'all call the Definitive edition woke, aside from the DLCs, XBox Integration, and upscaling, literally same exact game as was released in 2000 with The Conquerors expansion. I'd know. I still own a copy of it. And what's the reason it's called woke? Female villagers. Which were in the original 1999 version without the expansion... and The Conquerors expansion and the HD edition), Portal, Shantae, Stardew Valley, Lord of the Rings: The Third Age, Star Wars Battlefront II(The original. Y'all already call the Aspyr definitive edition woke for the fact that the rebel sniper is female. Which was in the original version of the game. I own it on PS2, you know that console you can't patch games on? Yeah, still female there), the entire Elder Scrolls series, Deus Ex(Transhumanism).

But they're not called woke because they were... extremely popular at the time and well known and thus it would not be profitable to claim how woke those games were and were destroying the industry. And again, that's a short list.

Oh and Gamergate 2? It started because Grummz wanted more money and let me tell you this. None of that money is going to Em-8er.

Originally posted by Amaterasu:

Originally posted by TBS AlexDK:

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I'm in my mid-30s, I've been gaming since 1992. There have been good games, there have been bad games, there have been mediocre games.

A lot of games that came out back then would be decried as "woke" and the "modern audience" games if they had come out today instead of in the past. Just to name a few, yes, just a few... Metroid, Bioshock, Street Fighter II(Even though Ken canonically wins the tournament and beats Bison, not Chun-Li), Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Mortal Kombat(For the reason that 5 out of the seven fighters are Asians, yes, before the Retcon, Kano was Asian, specifically Half-Japanese), Final Fantasy IV(as would VI, and definitely VII), Dino Crisis, Parasite Eve, Age of Empires 2(Y'all call the Definitive edition woke, aside from the DLCs, XBox Integration, and upscaling, literally same exact game as was released in 2000 with The Conquerors expansion. I'd know. I still own a copy of it. And what's the reason it's called woke? Female villagers. Which were in the original 1999 version without the expansion... and The Conquerors expansion and the HD edition), Portal, Shantae, Stardew Valley, Lord of the Rings: The Third Age, Star Wars Battlefront II(The original. Y'all already call the Aspyr definitive edition woke for the fact that the rebel sniper is female. Which was in the original version of the game. I own it on PS2, you know that console you can't patch games on? Yeah, still female there), the entire Elder Scrolls series, Deus Ex(Transhumanism).

But they're not called woke because they were... extremely popular at the time and well known and thus it would not be profitable to claim how woke those games were and were destroying the industry. And again, that's a short list.

Oh and Gamergate 2? It started because Grummz wanted more money and let me tell you this. None of that money is going to Em-8er.

It's clear as day that you have no idea what you're talking about, and why people don't like the forced modern day politics

Originally posted by TBS AlexDK:

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Ah yes, the "They're not woke." defense.

According to every metric that y'all judge games these days, they would be considered woke. The only reason they're not is that it's not profitable for the grifters to call them woke. Because they're older titles that are extremely popular.

I'm someone who stands on the outside of this culture war, I'm able to see parallels between old things that y'all have grandfathered in and new things y'all call woke. It's only the new stuff, and it's only until it becomes popular and successful. And the moment it does, y'all twist yourselves into pretzels to try to say that it was really anti-woke or not that woke to begin with as if we couldn't see the last six months of you lot screaming, "Go woke, go broke."

There is no conspiracy on the side of game developers. There is no conspiracy on the side of the publishers. There is a conspiracy on the side of the anti-woke and that conspiracy has one goal and one goal only. It isn't to abolish anything. The people wrapped up in it believe whole heartedly that it's going to save gaming, that it's going to restore gaming to what it was. But that's not the goal in mind with the people constantly perpetuating the narrative that everything is woke now.

Their only goal? Make money off of you. And they don't just want ad revenue from you. They want you to give them your money. They want you to donate to them so that they can "fight the good fight". In reality... y'all rail against socialism... and yet y'all are engaging in it with the very content creators that tell you to hate socialism.

This has been going on since like 2016 or so, it's been almost 10 years. No one is doing anything to abolish any of this. Not even the President that y'all have cheered on getting into the country's highest office. Why? Because that isn't the point. If the enemy is vanquished, the gravy train stops immediately. Hence why they want to keep it alive, so they have an eternal enemy and an eternal source of income, from people like you.

Originally posted by TBS AlexDK:

Originally posted by Amaterasu:

I'm in my mid-30s, I've been gaming since 1992. There have been good games, there have been bad games, there have been mediocre games.

A lot of games that came out back then would be decried as "woke" and the "modern audience" games if they had come out today instead of in the past. Just to name a few, yes, just a few... Metroid, Bioshock, Street Fighter II(Even though Ken canonically wins the tournament and beats Bison, not Chun-Li), Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Mortal Kombat(For the reason that 5 out of the seven fighters are Asians, yes, before the Retcon, Kano was Asian, specifically Half-Japanese), Final Fantasy IV(as would VI, and definitely VII), Dino Crisis, Parasite Eve, Age of Empires 2(Y'all call the Definitive edition woke, aside from the DLCs, XBox Integration, and upscaling, literally same exact game as was released in 2000 with The Conquerors expansion. I'd know. I still own a copy of it. And what's the reason it's called woke? Female villagers. Which were in the original 1999 version without the expansion... and The Conquerors expansion and the HD edition), Portal, Shantae, Stardew Valley, Lord of the Rings: The Third Age, Star Wars Battlefront II(The original. Y'all already call the Aspyr definitive edition woke for the fact that the rebel sniper is female. Which was in the original version of the game. I own it on PS2, you know that console you can't patch games on? Yeah, still female there), the entire Elder Scrolls series, Deus Ex(Transhumanism).

But they're not called woke because they were... extremely popular at the time and well known and thus it would not be profitable to claim how woke those games were and were destroying the industry. And again, that's a short list.

Oh and Gamergate 2? It started because Grummz wanted more money and let me tell you this. None of that money is going to Em-8er.

It's clear as day that you have no idea what you're talking about, and why people don't like the forced modern day politics

"Y-you're just spreading conspiracy theories."

"By the way everything you ever believed was just spread by one con man."
I guess some youtuber is making some hot new content spreading these lines now.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by TBS AlexDK:

It's clear as day that you have no idea what you're talking about, and why people don't like the forced modern day politics

"Y-you're just spreading conspiracy theories."

"By the way everything you ever believed was just spread by one con man."
I guess some youtuber is making some hot new content spreading these lines now.

One? Just one? It's a massive industry of people who are in collaboration with each other and frequently get on discord calls with each other to discuss what they're going to make a story about this time.

And yes, the whole point is to get money off people like you.

Oh and by the way, I'll list all the youtubers I watch right here. None of them have anything to do with your culture war: Future Canoe, Brainiac75, Wes Does Games, The Action Lab, Magic the Noah, How to Drink, John Malecki(and John Malecki Unscrewed), Techmoan, Ben's Worx, Jrose 11, Den of the Drake, RT Game, Ex Cop, Tasting History, Wristwatch Revival, Jim Browning, Josh Strife Plays, Marcel Vos, Linfamy, Joov, Spiffing Brit, Scam Sandwich, AntsCanada, Gneiss Name, Kitboga, Kosmic, Skeeter Jean, BeardMeatsFood, CritCrab, Joshua Weissman, Summoning Salt, Bismuth, ProtoCooks, TierZoo, Technology Connections, Ashens, The 8-bit guy, LGR, and Binging with Babish.

My gaming channels are focused on retrospectives, breaking games, doing gaming challenges, and speedrunning history, Magic the Noah has a bunch of games that he makes youtubers play for entertainment. Ex Cop is about showing the good side of the police force and what cops go through in the line of duty,

Everything else is a variety of craftsmanship, technology history, Dungeons and Dragons horror stories(And glory stories), Japanese history, Entymology, cooking, scambaiting, and cooking.

So your little, "You must have gotten this from a youtuber" doesn't apply to me. Enjoy. But I have a feeling culture warriors won't reveal who they watch because they'll be revealed to watch one or more of the culture war grifters.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

"Y-you're just spreading conspiracy theories."

"By the way everything you ever believed was just spread by one con man."
I guess some youtuber is making some hot new content spreading these lines now.

Oh and by the way, I don't need a youtuber to tell me what the grifters are doing and what their whole angle is. I used to watch The Quartering, Nerdrotic, Mauler, The Critical Drinker, HeelvsBabyface, and Geeks and Gamers. I also used to watch Bellular, LegacykillaHD, and one other dude who I cannot for the life of me remember the name but if you were to place one of their videos in front of me, I'd say, "THAT GUY! THAT'S HIM!"

I became disillusioned with all of them, simultaneously when I figured out what the game was really about. When I started to do my own independent research into things.

I know that they're grifters seeking to get money off you. Seeking to have you socialize their lifestyle with your money... because I was in their fandoms at one point and left on my own to see things from the outside. And instead of being all like, "Well let's see what the other side is like!", I said, "Not gonna trust em, either."