If you mean the payment processor thing, the problem is not with how you pay for the banned games. It's about their sole existence on the store.

Originally posted by Zarineth:

If you mean the payment processor thing, the problem is not with how you pay for the banned games. It's about their sole existence on the store.

I'm aware that I'm saying maybe that'd be a buffer to fill Unshackled of the responsibility of it. I'm not talking of returning whatever games got banned, but like with everything, usually if you give an inch, they take a mile. I honestly never bought a sex game and will never, but letting others dictate what you're allowed to consume is problematic

Originally posted by Screamer:

Originally posted by Zarineth:

If you mean the payment processor thing, the problem is not with how you pay for the banned games. It's about their sole existence on the store.

I'm aware that I'm saying maybe that'd be a buffer to fill Unshackled of the responsibility of it. I'm not talking of returning whatever games got banned, but with everything, usually if you give an inch, they take a mile. I honestly never bought a sex game and will never, but letting others dictate what you're allowed to consume is problematic

The law already does that.

Originally posted by Screamer:

Originally posted by Zarineth:

If you mean the payment processor thing, the problem is not with how you pay for the banned games. It's about their sole existence on the store.

I'm aware that I'm saying maybe that'd be a buffer to fill Unshackled of the responsibility of it. I'm not talking of returning whatever games got banned, but like with everything, usually if you give an inch, they take a mile. I honestly never bought a sex game and will never, but letting others dictate what you're allowed to consume is problematic

They put a lot of effort into ensuring they have veto power over all online commerce and pulled up the ladders so you cannot escape. It is very difficult to get around this intention by design. Clever side stepping won't work; they are the quintessential middlemen, they INVENTED basically every technicality and side stepping trick.

Originally posted by Knee:

Originally posted by Screamer:

I'm aware that I'm saying maybe that'd be a buffer to fill Unshackled of the responsibility of it. I'm not talking of returning whatever games got banned, but with everything, usually if you give an inch, they take a mile. I honestly never bought a sex game and will never, but letting others dictate what you're allowed to consume is problematic

The law already does that.

They already withdrew services for materials that were not illegal

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by Screamer:

I'm aware that I'm saying maybe that'd be a buffer to fill Unshackled of the responsibility of it. I'm not talking of returning whatever games got banned, but like with everything, usually if you give an inch, they take a mile. I honestly never bought a sex game and will never, but letting others dictate what you're allowed to consume is problematic

They put a lot of effort into ensuring they have veto power over all online commerce and pulled up the ladders so you cannot escape. It is very difficult to get around this intention by design. Clever side stepping won't work; they are the quintessential middlemen, they INVENTED basically every technicality and side stepping trick.

Maybe, but leaning back and just taking it, it isn't really the greatest strategy in life

Originally posted by Screamer:

With the odd debanking over adult games, I wonder if they keep it up, maybe if you set it up as a Steam wallet purchase only for adult games, maybe that would be enough of a buffer to satisfy their fake integrity

You don't seem to get how this works.
VISA/MC can't see what you spend you money on for the most part. Just where and if where you're sopending it sells something they don't approve ofb they will cease payment processing for ANY and EVERYTHING related to that retailer.

Though this may well be backfiring on them in a big way since a lot of countries and regions are now looking very closely at how much impact VISA/MC have in thier commerce and the growing consensus is 'too much' the BRICs nations are already field testing their alternative system, and the EU is now looking into developing their own.

Originally posted by Screamer:

With the odd debanking over adult games, I wonder if they keep it up, maybe if you set it up as a Steam wallet purchase only for adult games, maybe that would be enough of a buffer to satisfy their fake integrity

It's not so much how the payment is made but that there is a business relationship between the card processors and a vender selling questionable content.

Originally posted by Screamer:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

They put a lot of effort into ensuring they have veto power over all online commerce and pulled up the ladders so you cannot escape. It is very difficult to get around this intention by design. Clever side stepping won't work; they are the quintessential middlemen, they INVENTED basically every technicality and side stepping trick.

Maybe, but leaning back and just taking it, it isn't really the greatest strategy in life

True and it is right to feel that way. It just means it takes a bit more effort to figure out how not to sit back and take it. Being an enemy of corporations, an actual one not a subsidized playfighter, tends to actually suck. I do not have all the answers but supporting any politician or political power that pledges to harass these companies is a good start, as is any other means of making the owners and decision makers feel uncomfortable with the world in which they have opted to live.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

VISA/MC can't see what you spend you money on for the most part.

if they cant see - WHY they tell Steam to tone down R34 content??

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Though this may well be backfiring on them in a big way since a lot of countries and regions are now looking very closely at how much impact VISA/MC have in thier commerce and the growing consensus is 'too much'

They are about 10 years later. Duopoly is too big now

Originally posted by Princess Luna:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

VISA/MC can't see what you spend you money on for the most part.

if they cant see - WHY they tell Steam to tone down R34 content??

The short answer is because they can. America loves middlemen and hates creators, and the middleman's veto is a sacrement of the American religion.

You could make a longer answer involving another American sacrement: "consent." It provides a moral blank check for anyone who does not believe fiction is separate from reality to harass any sort of material banned in the recent waves (And in fact is the only moral argument on issues of lewd content that anyone knows), except for that pesky "incest" clause, which unfortunately gives the game away as merely an arbitrary exercise of someone's personal disgust reflex, as to single out incest over furry or any of a dozen other fetishes is self evidently silly.

One thing you can readily and trivially observe is that the decision was NOT made to pursue profit but for other motives, but this is also an argument unfamiliar to many

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by Screamer:

Maybe, but leaning back and just taking it, it isn't really the greatest strategy in life

True and it is right to feel that way. It just means it takes a bit more effort to figure out how not to sit back and take it. Being an enemy of corporations, an actual one not a subsidized playfighter, tends to actually suck. I do not have all the answers but supporting any politician or political power that pledges to harass these companies is a good start, as is any other means of making the owners and decision makers feel uncomfortable with the world in which they have opted to live.

yeah I know it's complicated. I'm throwing out an idea, I'm not claiming to understand the entire inner workings of the banking and the steam back-end payment system, it may be hopeless

Originally posted by Screamer:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

True and it is right to feel that way. It just means it takes a bit more effort to figure out how not to sit back and take it. Being an enemy of corporations, an actual one not a subsidized playfighter, tends to actually suck. I do not have all the answers but supporting any politician or political power that pledges to harass these companies is a good start, as is any other means of making the owners and decision makers feel uncomfortable with the world in which they have opted to live.

yeah I know it's complicated. I'm throwing out an idea, I'm not claiming to understand the entire inner workings of the banking and the steam back-end payment system, it may be hopeless

Nothing wrong with that. Everyone has to go through that phase of "This sucks. Why don't we just... oh that doesn't work... Man this REALLY sucks." It is a pattern that has been repeated countless times and I am happy to help step as many people who need to go through it through that process.