Fugsnarf 31 Mar, 2024 @ 12:54pm
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Stop deleting Steam modding guides
Steam modding guides have been getting deleted due to user reports, even though these guides do not break anything in the community rules and guidelines. When we ask support for clarification, we are told to consult the rules and guidelines -- which we're not breaking -- and also told not to include any links to off-site downloadable files.

Steam, this is deeply damaging to the gaming community. If this is your new policy, then a vast wealth of important modding guides are at risk of disappearing forever. We in the community put in countless hours of our time in order to provide a service to the community, with no reason to believe this is against the rules, only for it to be suddenly deleted without warning or good reason.

We understand the difficult situation you're in, in that you want to prevent phishing scams and malicious downloads. But disallowing all external links to files is not the answer. People have depended on countless modding guides over the years for important information on how to improve the experience of playing the games they want to play. This is an issue of preservation and community support.

Please reconsider this policy. Allow modding guides to continue to exist. We have done nothing wrong, and we are deeply concerned about losing a treasure trove of information archived in Steam guides. You already have so many safeguards in place to protect people. It is usually abundantly clear in these guides that the links therein will lead to downloads.

What you're doing is not the answer. It is damaging the gaming community at large.


Edit (2024-04-13)


After going back and forth with support across many individuals, and having our guides unbanned, we're more confused than ever. And frankly, we're still very concerned.

Upon having my guide unbanned, a user received a message very similar to one I've seen before.
"We are currently updating our internal processes regarding this based on some of the guides like this one that are getting caught unnecessarily in these bans."
https://imgur.com/a/ASzfNX3

This is the same message another guide received, however they were also asked to provide a disclaimer next to any link in the guide. That user complied, and then their guide was banned a second time not that long after. However, this time support did not ask me to do anything. Because they didn't even message me directly. That came later after I had pestered them 3 days over the course of many days.

This was the conversation I had with them: https://imgur.com/a/xheA76b

So as you can see, they finally demanded the same thing of me. They want me to add a disclaimer next to every single link. Naturally, I find this a little weird, and I pushed back because I already mark every download link in my guide as "DOWNLOAD", and Steam already warns you every time you click a link off-site. So effectively Steam already does exactly what their disclaimer wants to do.

To which they replied, "Unfortunately, the automated warning does not always work with all types of links. Because this is the case as well as other concerns from our moderation and security end, we would ask that these are added for any links that are directed as downloads in the guide or are direct downloads."


You can imagine why I might not trust this. Another guide was already banned a second time and unbanned a second time. Should I really trust that their automatic content scanner would ignore my guide simply because I put some disclaimers? Especially when the advice I was given was to write
"something like 'Warning: the following link contains a download that is outside of Steam.' "

Something like? That doesn't strike me as clear instructions to avoid future bans. And it doesn't strike me as a clear shift in policy either. What exactly is going on here, Valve? We want answers.

And what about all the guides that don't have active managers, are still important to their communities, and don't have anybody that will see your email within 30 days before the guide is deleted so they can write "something like"? How can we trust that you aren't going to slowly purge these guides over time on account of trolls reporting them for "fun"? We want answers, Valve. Don't punish the community because your content detection systems and security don't work as they should.
Last edited by Fugsnarf; 13 Apr, 2024 @ 6:48pm
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Minspi 31 Mar, 2024 @ 1:02pm 
Save modding guides Stop the deletion wave fix your mess steam and bring back modding guides with links.
Hawk X 31 Mar, 2024 @ 1:02pm 
100% ^^

There are countless of steam guides which have directly link to files for the users to download... from Reshade, to SpecialK to other dll to fix issues in some major "AAA" games... including Dragon Quest 11, Jedi Survivor, Nier Automata, and every single Final Fantasy titles to name but a few.

Video Game modding has been part of games for the better part of the past 30 years. While I agree that safety is important, removing complex and well written guides to help user find safe and concise way to mod their game is very important.

Valve needs to step up their game and fix this problem before it gets out of hand and many great guides ends up lost.
Minspi 31 Mar, 2024 @ 1:17pm 
Originally posted by FireHawkX:
100% ^^

There are countless of steam guides which have directly link to files for the users to download... from Reshade, to SpecialK to other dll to fix issues in some major "AAA" games... including Dragon Quest 11, Jedi Survivor, Nier Automata, and every single Final Fantasy titles to name but a few.

Video Game modding has been part of games for the better part of the past 30 years. While I agree that safety is important, removing complex and well written guides to help user find safe and concise way to mod their game is very important.

Valve needs to step up their game and fix this problem before it gets out of hand and many great guides ends up lost.
I had to use a modding guide to fix fallout 1 & 2 on steam thank god the guide existed at the time.
William Shakesman 31 Mar, 2024 @ 1:34pm 
Valve's policy: "Some people have abused it so we had to remove it" repeated for every single aspect of gaming gamers prefer.
rawWwRrr 31 Mar, 2024 @ 1:39pm 
Originally posted by William Shakesman:
Valve's policy: "Some people have abused it so we had to remove it" repeated for every single aspect of gaming gamers prefer.
Same strategy that every other company has followed when having to sacrifice a service.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 31 Mar, 2024 @ 1:58pm 
Some download sites host malicious files and aren't allowed to be used.

What site were you linking to?

:winterbunny2023:
Fugsnarf 31 Mar, 2024 @ 2:09pm 
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Some download sites host malicious files and aren't allowed to be used.

What site were you linking to?

:winterbunny2023:

Steam already has some safeguards against websites it deems more dangerous than others. If you post a link to certain websites, it will not form a hyperlink and will remove the link automatically.

The kinds of places being linked to, at least on my guides, are nexusmods, github, dropbox, google drive, and curseforge. I understand there have been phishing scams that probably influenced this policy change. But this is not the answer to the problem.

Support has told us that ALL links to downloadable files are the problem. It doesn't matter what places were linking to. If they're directing off of Steam, and they're leading to downloads, it's not allowed. This puts countless Steam guides in danger.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 31 Mar, 2024 @ 2:14pm 
Originally posted by Fugsnarf:
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Some download sites host malicious files and aren't allowed to be used.

What site were you linking to?

:winterbunny2023:

Steam already has some safeguards against websites it deems more dangerous than others. If you post a link to certain websites, it will not form a hyperlink and will remove the link automatically.

The kinds of places being linked to, at least on my guides, are nexusmods, github, dropbox, google drive, and curseforge. I understand there have been phishing scams that probably influenced this policy change. But this is not the answer to the problem.

Support has told us that ALL links to downloadable files are the problem. It doesn't matter what places were linking to. If they're directing off of Steam, and they're leading to downloads, it's not allowed. This puts countless Steam guides in danger.

I'm talking about the sites in the removed guides. Which specific ones were in those?

I only know of Curseforge because of the one issue (that was resolved by the CF team) that may have damaged their credibility for use on Steam.

:winterbunny2023:
Fugsnarf 31 Mar, 2024 @ 2:20pm 
If they have an issue with the credibility of any website, they can just block links to them like they block to any other non-credible website. Support was clear with me and others. All off-site links to downloadable files, regardless of where they're going, are not allowed.
William Shakesman 31 Mar, 2024 @ 2:48pm 
At this point, why even have guides at all? The guides linking to download sites with fixes were what Steam selling broken old games without the GOG fixes tolerable. Once again, an outsized "♥♥♥♥ the users" fix that doesn't accurately reflect the risk being mitigated.

From a user standpoint you might need to just mockup a Neocities site with mega links to the files you need but that's such a ridiculous workaround.

EDIT: Other guides appear to use google drives own landing page. Perhaps a link to a mega.nz or google drive landing page rather than directly to the file is sufficient to get around this.
Last edited by William Shakesman; 31 Mar, 2024 @ 2:56pm
Cyggdrasil 31 Mar, 2024 @ 2:49pm 
the problem is that steams own system makes any link a hyperlink which in turn due to how old the system is creates a loop whole for scumy data hackers to breach in and steal innocent peoples info, ergo the "hey your about to leave steam" page. all steam need to to do is either update the hyperlink system like other websites do to combat this issue or remove the crappy hyperlink system as a whole. we the users shouldn't be punished cuz steam doesn't want to update properly
Crashed 31 Mar, 2024 @ 3:04pm 
What specific guides were deleted? Did any Guides tell users to remove any sort of DRM?
Last edited by Crashed; 31 Mar, 2024 @ 3:04pm
Hawk X 31 Mar, 2024 @ 3:24pm 
In our modding community, I personally know of 3 specific guides for Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster that were taken down for this specific reason (having a dropbox or google drive link).

One of them was actually allowed to be put back as long as the following sentence was added above every outside download link : ""Warning: the following link contains a download. Proceed at your own risk"
Which in itself is also a bit ridiculous since ALL outside links already have a warning "You are leaving Steam, do so at your own risk"

There might actually be many more that got affected and reported it but I haven't stayed up to date as much as I should have.
Crashed 31 Mar, 2024 @ 3:26pm 
Originally posted by FireHawkX:
In our modding community, I personally know of 3 specific guides for Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster that were taken down for this specific reason (having a dropbox or google drive link).

One of them was actually allowed to be put back as long as the following sentence was added above every outside download link : ""Warning: the following link contains a download. Proceed at your own risk"
Which in itself is also a bit ridiculous since ALL outside links already have a warning "You are leaving Steam, do so at your own risk"

There might actually be many more that got affected and reported it but I haven't stayed up to date as much as I should have.
Perhaps try uploading the mods, assuming they don't violate their TOS, to Nexus Mods, as that is generally more trusted.
Tito Shivan 31 Mar, 2024 @ 3:31pm 
Originally posted by FireHawkX:
In our modding community, I personally know of 3 specific guides for Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster that were taken down for this specific reason (having a dropbox or google drive link).
I'm not sure what's the actual trend for account hijackers, but both of those sites have been going in and out of the filters through time and have been afrequent vector for uploading malware. Maybe they're trendy again looking at how UGC linking to those sites is being taken down.
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