Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

Didn't valve decide to not sell Domina?

They essentially decided they no longer want to do business with said dev, who has attracted quite a bit of negative attention in the past few months and has proven to be problematic to work with

https://www.thegamer.com/domina-developer-misogynistic-mask-rant-banned-steam/

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

You mean like Hearts of Iron 4 showing Hitler as the leader of the Third Reich? (yes actual game, except in Germany.)

Game set in WW2, that happens to have nazi in it, that happen to have Hitler which FYI he is part of WW2. AFAIK Germany lift the whole nazi symbols back in 2018, and well yeah, remember Wolfenstein, I remmeber it just well.

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

Originally posted by brian9824:

Again no, the developer broke the rules and attacked individuals via patch notes with hate speech. Again, all games that follow the rules are allowed. The game itself would be welcome on steam if they sold it to a different developer as the game isn't banned, the developer is.

Part of freedom of speech and a lack of censorship means you get Nazi's, KKK, and other groups that will say things you find reprehensible. However you start restricting those freedoms and it leads down a dark path as someone with all their bias's and personal opinions is the one deciding what is or isn't allowed to be sold.....

I mean would you want one of the very conservative christian groups in charge of quality control banning games like Cult of the lamb, GTA, etc?

You mean like Hearts of Iron 4 showing Hitler as the leader of the Third Reich? (yes actual game, except in Germany.)

Perfectly fine with it, Germany on the other hand..... not so much.

Again if i find something morally objectionable I just don't support it. That comes with freedom of speech, expression, etc. Its not perfect, but you start dictating what is or isn't allowed and that is a VERY dark and dangerous hole to go down based on the people in charge......

I mean again, just imagine what games would be removed if super conservative groups got the power to decide on "quality". Everyone is going to have different views on what is quality as its subjective, so trying to enforce your views on everyone else NEVER works out well.

Originally posted by brian9824:

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

You mean like Hearts of Iron 4 showing Hitler as the leader of the Third Reich? (yes actual game, except in Germany.)

Perfectly fine with it, Germany on the other hand..... not so much.

Again if i find something morally objectionable I just don't support it. That comes with freedom of speech, expression, etc. Its not perfect, but you start dictating what is or isn't allowed and that is a VERY dark and dangerous hole to go down based on the people in charge......

I mean again, just imagine what games would be removed if super conservative groups got the power to decide on "quality". Everyone is going to have different views on what is quality as its subjective, so trying to enforce your views on everyone else NEVER works out well.

Yeah, you're right. Freedom of expression and opinion is welcome and agreed upon world wide, now that you've trapped yourself into this argument.

I only have to ask you one thing: defend the game the OP linked to using the same twisted, warped logic you used to defend showing Hitler in Hearts of Iron 4.

Originally posted by Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Originally posted by Gus the Crocodile:

I can't buy movies.

Uh...
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?category1=992&sort_by=Released_DESC&page=1

Yeah, I'm sure there are still some movies on Steam, but I was talking about general-release stuff, like what you might find at a... movie store. The relatively small handful here is kind of the exception that proves the rule, so to speak.

Originally posted by brian9824:

Um no, again valve sells all games, thats it. Saying they don't sell pants is a ludicrious argument as we are discussing games on a game store. We aren't discussing someone trying to sell pants on a game store

I was discussing the idea that a store not selling everything in the universe isn't them "telling you what you can and can't buy". Where you can buy the product is up to the manufacturer, they're the ones who choose what retailers they sell through. If you can't buy a game on Steam, that doesn't mean you can't buy it.

Which is precisely why I brought up stores in general. We all get by, constantly, with stores not stocking everything in the universe, without these kind of "we don't need companies telling us what we can and can't buy!" tantrum phrases. Don't we?

Phrases like that make the case that there's a moral failing on the part of the store. But there just isn't. It's no store's moral responsibility to sell everything.

I mean look at the OP's games, plenty of games that many people wouldn't call "quality" yet its his right to play and enjoy them if he wishes

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1161770/Breeders_of_the_Nephelym_Alpha/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1958390/Innocence_Or_Money__V_003/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/557180/League_of_Maidens/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1271710/LEWDAPOCALYPSE_Hentai_Evil/

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

Originally posted by brian9824:

Perfectly fine with it, Germany on the other hand..... not so much.

Again if i find something morally objectionable I just don't support it. That comes with freedom of speech, expression, etc. Its not perfect, but you start dictating what is or isn't allowed and that is a VERY dark and dangerous hole to go down based on the people in charge......

I mean again, just imagine what games would be removed if super conservative groups got the power to decide on "quality". Everyone is going to have different views on what is quality as its subjective, so trying to enforce your views on everyone else NEVER works out well.

Yeah, you're right. Freedom of expression and opinion is welcome and agreed upon world wide, now that you've trapped yourself into this argument.

I only have to ask you one thing: defend the game the OP linked to using the same twisted, warped logic you used to defend showing Hitler in Hearts of Iron 4.

Why do I need to defend it? I have it ignored because I don't personally like it. I don't go around trying to tell people that they have to conform to my standards though and can accept others like different things then me.

I don't drink or smoke, yet you don't see me preaching to others that its bad, other people are free to make their own decisions on what they like. Heck there is an anime called Goblin Slayer that has some pretty umm dark subject material in it and its very well liked, not my personal taste but hey people are free to enjoy what they like as long as it doesn't break any laws.

Games don't have to be defended by anyone, every user is free to make their own choices based on their own tastes. What I will defend is someone else REMOVING that choice from any user.

Originally posted by Gus the Crocodile:

was discussing the idea that a store not selling everything in the universe isn't them "telling you what you can and can't buy". Where you can buy the product is up to the manufacturer, they're the ones who choose what retailers they sell through.

That's exactly how it is.

Originally posted by brian9824:

I mean look at the OP's games, plenty of games that many people wouldn't call "quality" yet its his right to play and enjoy them if he wishes

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1161770/Breeders_of_the_Nephelym_Alpha/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1958390/Innocence_Or_Money__V_003/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/557180/League_of_Maidens/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1271710/LEWDAPOCALYPSE_Hentai_Evil/

Well done brian. Please try to attack the argument, and not the person behind it, next time.

Originally posted by legit:

Originally posted by Gus the Crocodile:

was discussing the idea that a store not selling everything in the universe isn't them "telling you what you can and can't buy". Where you can buy the product is up to the manufacturer, they're the ones who choose what retailers they sell through.

That's exactly how it is.

Originally posted by brian9824:

I mean look at the OP's games, plenty of games that many people wouldn't call "quality" yet its his right to play and enjoy them if he wishes

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1161770/Breeders_of_the_Nephelym_Alpha/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1958390/Innocence_Or_Money__V_003/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/557180/League_of_Maidens/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1271710/LEWDAPOCALYPSE_Hentai_Evil/

Well done brian. Please try to attack the argument, and not the person behind it, next time.

It's pointing out that this post isn't made in good faith. Which happens a lot for this particular person.

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

Originally posted by brian9824:

Perfectly fine with it, Germany on the other hand..... not so much.

Again if i find something morally objectionable I just don't support it. That comes with freedom of speech, expression, etc. Its not perfect, but you start dictating what is or isn't allowed and that is a VERY dark and dangerous hole to go down based on the people in charge......

I mean again, just imagine what games would be removed if super conservative groups got the power to decide on "quality". Everyone is going to have different views on what is quality as its subjective, so trying to enforce your views on everyone else NEVER works out well.

Yeah, you're right. Freedom of expression and opinion is welcome and agreed upon world wide, now that you've trapped yourself into this argument.

I only have to ask you one thing: defend the game the OP linked to using the same twisted, warped logic you used to defend showing Hitler in Hearts of Iron 4.

Defend what? The right for the game to exist?

Here's something that will blow your mind;

If no person who is unable to consent is harmed in the process of creation, display, or showcasing of the art in question, there's no reason it should be limited, removed, or otherwise censored.

Both games(OP and Hearts of Iron 4) fall in that category. Both deserve to be sold to those willing to buy them.

Not attacking a person, anyone is going to have games on their list others find "low quality" or in bad taste. I mean there are people out there that would find Cult of the lamb to be abhorrent because of the concept.

Hence why the only person who should decide what you should be allowed to play is you. Trying to enforce your subjective views on others is NEVER going to be a good idea. I mean Tobacco and Alcohol are LITERALLY toxic and harmful, so by the same logic they should be outlawed and people prevented from using them....

Yet history has shown us how well that works when one group tries to enforce their views on another group.

Originally posted by KittenGrindr:

Both games(OP and Hearts of Iron 4) fall in that category. Both deserve to be sold to those willing to buy them.

Hearts of Iron 4 is a history war simulator - people -were- harmed.
and the crime that other game promotes actually happens - people -are- harmed.

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

Originally posted by KittenGrindr:

Both games(OP and Hearts of Iron 4) fall in that category. Both deserve to be sold to those willing to buy them.

Hearts of Iron 4 is a history war simulator - people -were- harmed.
and the crime that other game promotes actually happens - people -are- harmed.

Who was harmed during the process of making and playing the game?

By your logic, violent movies should be banned. Violent music should be banned. Violent video games should be banned.

Those all crimes that actually happen. So people must be harmed because those things exist.

Originally posted by brian9824:

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

Hearts of Iron 4 is a history war simulator - people -were- harmed.
and the crime that other game promotes actually happens - people -are- harmed.

No one was harmed by either game being made or sold. If you wish to claim so please provide sources.

Plenty of people claim school shootings and the like only occur because of FPS games like call of duty, GTA, CS GO, etc. So by your logic all FPS games should be removed because people claim they promote violence and harm people...

I never understand this logic.

It literally is shown to be false looking at yearly violent crime stats vs sales of violent media.

The crime has been going down while the media in question has been going up. If the media caused the crime or encouraged it, crime should be going up.

Along with the pile of studies showing there literally is no correlation outside of very temporary raised anger levels that are the result of frustration. Which ironically comes more from games that are puzzle focused or time restrictive in their goals.

Originally posted by Zero, Dark Knight:

Originally posted by KittenGrindr:

Both games(OP and Hearts of Iron 4) fall in that category. Both deserve to be sold to those willing to buy them.

Hearts of Iron 4 is a history war simulator - people -were- harmed.
and the crime that other game promotes actually happens - people -are- harmed.

OOF, we need to get rid of Red Orchestra 2, Men of Valor, oh and Cod 2, Medal of Honor: Airborne, Battlefield: Bad Company 2 Vietnam, Heroes & Generals I mean think of all the people that -were- harmed, and the crime that other game promotes.

But for real, this is just bad argument you done, I mean last I check games are not real people, it's digital pixels on screen that it, no matter how real we make it, doesn't mean people are actually being harm, the story can be base on real people, and that is tales base on people that were harm, just like how books, or movies base on history, funny right, but you're not actually playing someone life, or actually harming a real person by any means when you play a video game.

Wait by chance did you think the movie "gamer" is real, where we control real people via nand tech disguise as a video game, and childern not knowing they're killing real people repeatly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2g94xQmtHw