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fukot.sk [>] hidden bored gamer 15 Dec, 2017 @ 10:20am
The offense of unauthorized enrichment.
Steam allows third parties manipulate with our accounts.
I experienced how steam deactivated the game after 1.5 years of activation. When I asked Steam support how is it possible, the answer was, Steam has nothing to do, contact the seller (of course, the statutory time for a claim is only 0.5 years for paypal payments, this is a small amount where postage on court costs more, you do not even have the game and the money).

So, Steam allows third parties to deactivate the code on your account at any time but Steam has nothing to do with it. Really?
As if your landlord apartment has opened your apartment anytime to anyone, who will take your things without your consent and then the landlord says, I have nothing to do with it. For me you only have a leased apartment, and I'm just leaving other people there.

This is an offense across the EU.

Imagine sending an email to your mailbox, and someone will delete it at some distance without your consent. Imagine that this would allow Google, Microsoft, Yahoo. It would be a scandal. But Steam does it.

Why am I writing this?
I was witnessing the following conversation, it is already deleted

Treasure of a Blizzard http://gtm.steamproxy.vip/app/508260/discussions/0/1618346571421501019/

13 Dec @ 7:39pm
Duplicate key of this game
A month ago approx i bought from Indiegala, after a few weeks i tried to activated and it has come out that it is duplicated. Please i need a new key.

Flaming Firefly [developer] 5 minutes ago
Hi. Unredeemed keys have been locked in a month after the sale.
The reason is the resale of the keys on the illegal sites.
Send me a private message with proof of purchase. And we will solve the problem.

What's the problem:
The game creator will sell you the steam code, gets paid and then deactivates that code.
This is an unjustified enrichment, a crime.

You have purchased a license as much as we buy other works, such as books, music, videos. The one who sold you the license will ever deactivate it with justification, you should have used it earlier.
Christmas is comming. You buy a book. You donate it to someone. He opens the package, the book is not there. You ask the seller as much as possible? The answer, you did not read it for a month, so I took it.

What to write about it? This is a crime and Steam is involved.
I recommend Steam, intensively review your steam code policy, the possibility of deleting them, deactivating them because your behavior is at least within the EU against the law.
There is nothing simpler than writing the initiative to the European Commission. You may have heard that Apple has decided to pay 13 billion euros for taxes, a thing that Apple has refused for years.
Damage for the customer can be counted from the price of the game without a steam discount.
Steam enabled to remove the game from account that Steam sells for 10, 20, 30, 60 Eur.
In court, you can then argue what a real injury to the customer with whom Steam has manipulated. In any case, it is an interference with personal property.

I also recommend that the steam reassess a policy against game makers who just deactivate the codes. Codes are not stolen, were voluntarily put into circulation and the creator of games just deactivates them anytime. Because Steam allows it.
This is a crime, especially if he had previously sold them.

I will give another case, AMD, NVidia sometimes offer the games to their products. Now imagine that they are asking Steam to deactivate all the codes after 2 years. Steam does this with justification, we have nothing to do with it.
The game price of 60 Eur has been deactivated from your Steam account. Multiply this by x 100 000. At one point of deactivated game from Steam accounts at the sales price 6 000 000 Eur.
Really Steam you will not have anything to do with it?
Steam, you will claim in the court that no one has been harmed?
Will you claim that AMD, that NVidia and Steam have nothing to do with it?
How do you explain in court that you allow third parties to deactivate games on accounts?

In 2014, Steam also refused refund (other threads have been deleted by moderators) http://gtm.steamproxy.vip/discussions/forum/10/616187839214888734/
Will be now Steam smarter?
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cSg|mc-Hotsauce 15 Dec, 2017 @ 10:27am 
Don't purchase from shady sellers. You went out of your way to find a shady site that has users selling keys that were already used and you want Valve to fix YOUR mistake?

Valve does not do that.

Publishers can revoke their keys at anytime.

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Start_Running 15 Dec, 2017 @ 10:27am 
Yes. The Publisher can revoke your license to the game if that license key was obtained via fraud or other such means. They can also revoke you license for violating the EULA. That's pretty much also legal un EU.

If you buy a car proven to be stolen, you are not entitled to retain ownership of the car. If you violate a contract, then the other party is entitled to rovoke their services.

That said this is not an act by steam but rather an act of the publisher who owns the rights to the key.

This is nwhy you should be careful about buying keys outside steam.
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fukot.sk [>] hidden bored gamer 15 Dec, 2017 @ 10:53am 
Originally posted by solarfun:
If you bought this game in IndieGala Anime Treasure bundle and have not activated the game you can no longer do it since all the keys are duplicate keys. Dear
Flaming Firefly what is going on? Why can't I activate the game for which I paid for?

The developer of the game sold codes that he later deactivated and now he only gives the codes to those who personally ask him for it.

Undoubtedly there is a lot of advocates who will write that it is okay that it is perfectly right if someone destroys something that is no longer his just because Steam allows it.
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KEVYNE_KICKLIGHTER 15 Dec, 2017 @ 11:05am 
Originally posted by fukot.sk:
The developer of the game sold codes that he later deactivated and now he only gives the codes to those who personally ask him for it.

Undoubtedly there is a lot of advocates who will write that it is okay that it is perfectly right if someone destroys something that is no longer his just because Steam allows it.

That is a grey area in licensing. Some of the largest games on Steam have off site licensing, that is problematic, and Steam (at least then) didn't warn customers of it. So you buy the game on Steam, but to activate the game you have to go to the studio/publisher site to activate it requiring an email address and other data collection. Some games even had trouble activating their licenses on Steam and took a customer push to press them to get their keys to work on Steam (Elite Dangerous comes to mind).
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fukot.sk [>] hidden bored gamer 15 Dec, 2017 @ 11:25am 
I write something about the law.
If someone gives you something for free or sells you, at that moment he loses any right to do so.
If he takes it back, it's a theft.
Not even if you bought stolen goods, except the police, no one may take it, nor the original owner.

If Steam deactivates the code on your account, it has interfered with your rights. Steam is made by both the police and the judge and arbitrarily removes your property.
If this Steam plans to do long term, then Steam should be greatly warned that Steam may remove anything from your account for any reason whatsoever. That you have no legal certainty of preserving your property here.
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cSg|mc-Hotsauce 15 Dec, 2017 @ 11:28am 
Valve didn't request the removal. The developer/publisher did.

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Tito Shivan 15 Dec, 2017 @ 11:29am 
Originally posted by fukot.sk:
I write something about the law.
If someone gives you something for free or sells you, at that moment he loses any right to do so.
Software is licensed, not sold. You should really read the license terms of the software you purchase.

Originally posted by fukot.sk:
If Steam deactivates the code on your account, it has interfered with your rights.
Steam doesn't deactivate codes, the developer does. Steam is bound to comply of the developer says a license is not valid. Otherwise they'd be distributing that software copy illegally.
Last edited by Tito Shivan; 15 Dec, 2017 @ 11:29am
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fukot.sk [>] hidden bored gamer 15 Dec, 2017 @ 11:59am 
Originally posted by Tito Shivan:
Originally posted by fukot.sk:
I write something about the law.
If someone gives you something for free or sells you, at that moment he loses any right to do so.
Software is licensed, not sold. You should really read the license terms of the software you purchase.

Originally posted by fukot.sk:
If Steam deactivates the code on your account, it has interfered with your rights.
Steam doesn't deactivate codes, the developer does. Steam is bound to comply of the developer says a license is not valid. Otherwise they'd be distributing that software copy illegally.

Tito Shivan this is a joke attempt?
You pay for the license, and the license can then be withdrawn at any time? Do you mean that?
Then what is the definition of unauthorized enrichment, fraud, theft?
Does Steam ever warn you that Steam has the right to remove the license from your account anytime without compensation?

Steam does not deactivate the codes?
Do you just want to confirm that Steam allows third person access to your account to deactivate the code?
Try applying it to Gmail. We Google will allow a third party to delete your email from your account without your consent. This would be a scandal of immense proportions.

I understand correctly that the developer of the game sells his Steam codes, then deactivates them and according to Steam, is it okay, because it's a license and whenever he can deactivate the codes which he has sold?
This is fraud, unauthorized enrichment. Try the court to say that this is a license. You pass the code, then deactivate it at any time. For example, buy a cell phone with an Android. You will come home, your cellphone locked, Android deleted. Why? Because Google had a funny mood. It's our system, we can deactivate it at any time on your device.
This is a joke, no?
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76561198001062896 15 Dec, 2017 @ 12:04pm 
Originally posted by fukot.sk:
Originally posted by Tito Shivan:
Software is licensed, not sold. You should really read the license terms of the software you purchase.


Steam doesn't deactivate codes, the developer does. Steam is bound to comply of the developer says a license is not valid. Otherwise they'd be distributing that software copy illegally.

Tito Shivan this is a joke attempt?
You pay for the license, and the license can then be withdrawn at any time? Do you mean that?
Then what is the definition of unauthorized enrichment, fraud, theft?
Does Steam ever warn you that Steam has the right to remove the license from your account anytime without compensation?

Steam does not deactivate the codes?
Do you just want to confirm that Steam allows third person access to your account to deactivate the code?
Try applying it to Gmail. We Google will allow a third party to delete your email from your account without your consent. This would be a scandal of immense proportions.

I understand correctly that the developer of the game sells his Steam codes, then deactivates them and according to Steam, is it okay, because it's a license and whenever he can deactivate the codes which he has sold?
This is fraud, unauthorized enrichment. Try the court to say that this is a license. You pass the code, then deactivate it at any time. For example, buy a cell phone with an Android. You will come home, your cellphone locked, Android deleted. Why? Because Google had a funny mood. It's our system, we can deactivate it at any time on your device.
This is a joke, no?


I assume you never read the Tos?


Also feel free to take Valve to court, you have the right to do so.

People are all talk but never act upon. You want to prove a point? Go on
Last edited by Zetikla; 15 Dec, 2017 @ 12:07pm
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RGX12 15 Dec, 2017 @ 1:27pm 
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Don't purchase from shady sellers. You went out of your way to find a shady site that has users selling keys that were already used and you want Valve to fix YOUR mistake?

Valve does not do that.

Publishers can revoke their keys at anytime.

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Except IndieGala isn't a "shady" seller.
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Start_Running 15 Dec, 2017 @ 1:29pm 
Originally posted by fukot.sk:
Originally posted by solarfun:
If you bought this game in IndieGala Anime Treasure bundle and have not activated the game you can no longer do it since all the keys are duplicate keys. Dear
Flaming Firefly what is going on? Why can't I activate the game for which I paid for?

The developer of the game sold codes that he later deactivated and now he only gives the codes to those who personally ask him for it.
Or a list of codes were stolen generated without the consent of the developer.

Undoubtedly there is a lot of advocates who will write that it is okay that it is perfectly right if someone destroys something that is no longer his just because Steam allows it.

Actually yeah that's kinda in the EULA and the joke is OP. this seldom iff ever hapens to direct purchases through steam. If you go through shady sites, you are going to get burned. That sall. If you buy a car from a guy on the turnpike sooner or later you're going to have to answer the policemans question as to why there's a stolen car in your dirve way.

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HLCinSC 15 Dec, 2017 @ 1:33pm 
Originally posted by RGX12:
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Don't purchase from shady sellers. You went out of your way to find a shady site that has users selling keys that were already used and you want Valve to fix YOUR mistake?

Valve does not do that.

Publishers can revoke their keys at anytime.

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Except IndieGala isn't a "shady" seller.
OP, have you contacted IndieGala? I would be interested to hear what they say as I've made some puchases from them myself (though I would pretty much always use or give away the key shortly after purchase)
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Tito Shivan 15 Dec, 2017 @ 1:50pm 
Originally posted by fukot.sk:
You pay for the license, and the license can then be withdrawn at any time? Do you mean that?
Most software licenses include cancellation clauses.
Even Steam :
http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

C. Termination by Valve

Valve may cancel your Account or any particular Subscription(s) at any time in the event that (a) Valve ceases providing such Subscriptions to similarly situated Subscribers generally, or (b) you breach any terms of this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use). In the event that your Account or a particular Subscription is terminated or cancelled by Valve for a violation of this Agreement or improper or illegal activity, no refund, including of any Subscription fees or of any unused funds in your Steam Wallet, will be granted.
As I mentioned earlier i suggest you to read about software licensing, since you seem to have misunderstanding about how software is sold.

Originally posted by fukot.sk:
Steam does not deactivate the codes?
Do you just want to confirm that Steam allows third person access to your account to deactivate the code?
Try applying it to Gmail. We Google will allow a third party to delete your email from your account without your consent. This would be a scandal of immense proportions.
Third party licenses (the ones you're talking about, bought outside of Steam) are not property of Steam. They're created, validated and maintained by the developer.

Steam only mirrors the validity of a license issued by a third party developer and bought outside of Steam.

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Flava Clown 15 Dec, 2017 @ 2:03pm 
Interesting how the first comments are nothing but victim shaming.

I've got a key revoked 2 years after it's purchase, because the seller went out of business and recommend that developer revoke their keys. Which, one of them actually did.
Back then a known and respected store, which worked directly with the developer/publisher, nothing shady about it, nor weird 3rd party keys.

http://demo.phpatm.org/index.php?action=view&filename=action_alien_removed_01.jpg

http://indiegamestand.com/
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Spawn of Totoro 15 Dec, 2017 @ 3:08pm 
I don't see the issue you are describing in the link you provided.

The link provided:
Originally posted by Flava Clown:
Treasure of a Blizzard http://gtm.steamproxy.vip/app/508260/discussions/0/1618346571421501019/

It is not a game revoked from a user's account. It is a game key sold by a 3rd party reseller that the developer had expire after one month of not being used. The developer did so to prevent people from buying it cheap and reselling it on a shady key reseller's site. The issue was even resolved for the user as the developer provided them with a new key after being shown proof of the purchase.

The game never made it to the user's account.

Valve only removed games for two reasons:

1) Fraudulently purchased/unpaid for.

2) The game no longer runs as all servers were shut down. Some games require the servers, even for single player, so the software became useless.

Tito already covered the rest.

Originally posted by Flava Clown:
Interesting how the first comments are nothing but victim shaming.

I've got a key revoked 2 years after it's purchase, because the seller went out of business and recommend that developer revoke their keys. Which, one of them actually did.
Back then a known and respected store, which worked directly with the developer/publisher, nothing shady about it, nor weird 3rd party keys.

http://demo.phpatm.org/index.php?action=view&filename=action_alien_removed_01.jpg

http://indiegamestand.com/

Keys that were provided to Indie Game Stand by the developer were stolen after the shut down and sold on other 3rd party sites with out authorization. In that case, the developer was right to revoke the keys in question as they were not paid for.

I can't find much information in reguards to the game getting revoked for users on Google. Do you happen to have some links to more infromation on the matter?
Last edited by Spawn of Totoro; 15 Dec, 2017 @ 3:10pm
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