Thread title: Delist your MasterCard/Visa from Steam account

Originally posted by Pozhinateli:

Just stop use it. By using it you make a slave from yourself by yourself, by your own decisions. MasterCard and Visa have so much power because YOU use it. It's no one else give them power but you yourself.

Use direct bank transfer, Steam wallet, JCB and your local payment processor.

Odd you state to stop using it while in turn removing choice and power from those who use Visa and/or Mastercard. My bank uses Mastercard, my credit card company uses Visa as payment processors.

Am i and others not allowed to choose which bank or credit card company we use because you deem we should not? We can choose to continue using them after all i did not add any of those specific porn games which were removed. I chose not to buy any and control my own finances.

FREE POINTS = Thank you.

No... Visa and Mc got to where they are today because...

1) they were among the first general purpose credit cards.

2) they established exclusive contracts with banks (as in you can only be a visa bank or you can only be a MC bank) this stifled later competition. Even though this practice has since been outlawed the duopoly was already established.

3) it is a self feeding cycle that does not favor newcomers. The more customers you have the more businesses will want access to your card and the more businesses that carry your card the more people will want that card.

4) larger pools of businesses and customers generally means they can charge each one a little less and still come out ahead vs smaller cards (on things like merchant fees)this further cements visa and MC in the lead.

Then there is lobbying power, Visa and MC spend a lot to influence legislation, no doubt within the clauses and subclasses they make sure any negative impact from a bill will affect the smaller cards more or they reduce the impact on their theirselves vs original language.

Visa Inc.: Spent $7,720,000 on federal lobbying in 2024.
Mastercard Inc.: Spent $5,210,000 on federal lobbying in 2024.
American Express: Disclosed $1,627,434 in U.S. Federal lobbying expenses in 2024. This differs from the $1,370,000 reported by OpenSecrets for 2024.
Discover Financial Services: Spent $2,160,000 on federal lobbying in 2024.

Nope. Not going to go through that much effort and inconvenience over degenerate, disgusting, perverted content.

I do not use a Credit Card on Steam.....as it is much easier to have the visa debit from my bank tied to paypal to pay with on online stores.

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Nope. Not going to go through that much effort and inconvenience over degenerate, disgusting, perverted content.

If you think they stop at porn games, think again...

Originally posted by Kyrus86:

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Nope. Not going to go through that much effort and inconvenience over degenerate, disgusting, perverted content.

If you think they stop at porn games, think again...

They didn't target porn in general, they targeted content that has high potential to be illegal for being obscene. Obscene content is illegal. No, they won't come after anything else because because nothing else has the high risk of being illegal.

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Originally posted by Kyrus86:

If you think they stop at porn games, think again...

They didn't target porn in general, they targeted content that has high potential to be illegal for being obscene. Obscene content is illegal. No, they won't come after anything else because because nothing else has the high risk of being illegal.

They went after the stuff they did because it was low hanging fruit. Fruit that was technically against the ToS of MC and Visa. So it was easy for them to get a response.

Now should that stuff be against the ToS is a different discussion.

What is true though is they are not done with the video game industry, they will be back after other targets.

Ps aa for if it would be found obscene or not, that is irrelevant but I doubt the majority of those games would if push came to shove. After all if a banana taped to a wall is art, then 3d modeled things are to.

Originally posted by Draug:

What is true though is they are not done with the video game industry, they will be back after other targets.

Nope, because nothing else has the high potential risk of being illegal.

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Nope. Not going to go through that much effort and inconvenience over degenerate, disgusting, perverted content.

Again, as i stated before, those who cry about such "content" have the biggest skeletons to hide.

Originally posted by Zidane:

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Nope. Not going to go through that much effort and inconvenience over degenerate, disgusting, perverted content.

Again, as i stated before, those who cry about such "content" have the biggest skeletons to hide.

Lol, I never fought against the content existing. I'm also not going to fight for the content to exist.

Your statement doesn't apply to me at all.

Originally posted by Pozhinateli:

Just stop use it. By using it you make a slave from yourself by yourself, by your own decisions. MasterCard and Visa have so much power because YOU use it. It's no one else give them power but you yourself.

Use direct bank transfer, Steam wallet, JCB and your local payment processor.

You have no business in what i want to use.

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Originally posted by Kyrus86:

If you think they stop at porn games, think again...

They didn't target porn in general, they targeted content that has high potential to be illegal for being obscene. Obscene content is illegal. No, they won't come after anything else because because nothing else has the high risk of being illegal.

Additionally, those rules are older than Steam allowing porn games at all. This isn't some sudden change in policy. This is a company finding out someone was breaking their rules and asking them to stop.

Originally posted by Pozhinateli:

Just stop use it. By using it you make a slave from yourself by yourself, by your own decisions. MasterCard and Visa have so much power because YOU use it. It's no one else give them power but you yourself.

Use direct bank transfer, Steam wallet, JCB and your local payment processor.

It isn't on there. I have used it in the past but that was before all this crap.

Now I intend to use Steam Gift Cards to buy my own games.

♥♥♥♥ Visa and Mastercard for folding to that pressure. You can't allow the vocal minority to make the rules. It never works out well.

Just ask the ignorant Woke/D.E.I. people ...

Originally posted by miakisfan:

♥♥♥♥ Visa and Mastercard for folding to that pressure. You can't allow the vocal minority to make the rules. It never works out well.

The Vocal Minority in this case would be the people who want to buy porn games on steam too.
Doubt that the majority of people who use Steam care for those few "porn addicts" ;)

Originally posted by miakisfan:

Originally posted by Pozhinateli:

Just stop use it. By using it you make a slave from yourself by yourself, by your own decisions. MasterCard and Visa have so much power because YOU use it. It's no one else give them power but you yourself.

Use direct bank transfer, Steam wallet, JCB and your local payment processor.

It isn't on there. I have used it in the past but that was before all this crap.

Now I intend to use Steam Gift Cards to buy my own games.

♥♥♥♥ Visa and Mastercard for folding to that pressure. You can't allow the vocal minority to make the rules. It never works out well.

Just ask the ignorant Woke/D.E.I. people ...

VISA/MC didn't fold to pressure at all, these rules have existed for a very very long time. The only thing that actually happened is a group of people reported rule violations to the payment processors.