Everyone is free to have their own opinions.

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Questions like this one is not healthy for the gaming community either it incites players, " incites (rouses, stirs up members"
As above says everyone is free to have their own opinions,.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion which does not have to affirm your own.

For example on the Victoria 3 forum you wrote:

Originally posted by 151:

Yea, this game feels more like an idle game than PI grand strategy games like HOI. Things are too automated and shallow. Once you get your economy settled in early game, there's not really anything else fun to do in mid to late game.

And others can disagree as a enjoying a game does not equal being a fanboy.

FREE POINTS - Thank you.

I certainly agree that that people have rights to share opinions freely and others can disagree with the opinion posted freely as well.

But the question is, is it healthy for some people to gate keep a game, saying that you should quit the game and community if you are dissatisfied with a game or want the game to improve? I mean you can disagree with other people's opinions. But is it appropriate to tell people to leave or label people as "noobs" or "haters" because you think they are talking bad things about the game you like?

I think that's a form of "incites" too, as someone mentioned above.

From what I've found, the definition of fanboy is:
"Fanboy or Fanboi is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject or hobby, often to the point where it is considered an obsession"

"A fanboy is a term used to describe a person who is highly devoted to a specific brand, product or technology, often to the point of disregarding options or alternative"

So, it is that the so-called "fanboys" don't exist at all? Or that fanboism is a reasonable thing?

Fanbois, of a certain type, can be just as disruptive as trolls/haters.

Most can be reigned in with some cajoling, others simply, eventually, inevitably, get permabanned.

Originally posted by 151:

Is this a healthy behavior for a game community?

Just as healthy as the people who write off anyone who doesn't agree with their game hate as "white knights", "shills", "fanbois", etc.

Fanboys are bad across the board. I can't think of any instance where you could consider them a positive thing since as you pointed out they always downplay negative aspects to a game or run defense for developers. They seem to be far more rampant in the past decade and I'd wager that's because consumerism is at an all time high.

Going into a game forum and calling people fanboys seems stupid to me because forums are by definition going to be a place where fans congregate. The term is overused. It's mainly a term to denote "hey i don't like your opinion" in an insulting manner. Sure some posters can be overly defensive of a game and any change, but it's an indication that the user is immature and cannot handle different opinion.

anyone who feels the need to be so reductive is worse than the fanboys

Originally posted by Qoojo:

Going into a game forum and calling people fanboys seems stupid to me because forums are by definition going to be a place where fans congregate. The term is overused. It's mainly a term to denote "hey i don't like your opinion" in an insulting manner. Sure some posters can be overly defensive of a game and any change, but it's an indication that the user is immature and cannot handle different opinion.

which ironicly what calling them fanboys also indicates heh

Originally posted by Qoojo:

Going into a game forum and calling people fanboys seems stupid to me because forums are by definition going to be a place where fans congregate. The term is overused. It's mainly a term to denote "hey i don't like your opinion" in an insulting manner. Sure some posters can be overly defensive of a game and any change, but it's an indication that the user is immature and cannot handle different opinion.

From what I've search, there seems to be a difference between a fan and a fanboy. A fan simply enjoys a game, a character, a brand, etc. But they also respect other people's opinions. While a fanboy is obsessed with a game or something. They feel offended when other people say the game they like aren't good enough and can be improved. And they are aggressive towards people who don't agree with them, calling people names and telling people to get out from the game they like.

I think a forum(on steam) is a place for players to discuss about a game and a place for players to communicate with the game devs. Hence, it's natural to see posts that talk about problems, like pricing, cheaters, balancing, game mechanics, bugs, performance issues, etc. Should this kind of posts considered as hostile posts? And should people raising questions be regarded as "haters" and be excluded from a community?

As people up there said, people have the rights to agree and disagree to opinions. Is labeling people as "noobs", "having skill issues" and "haters" equally bad as calling people "fanboy"?

Originally posted by 151:

I certainly agree that that people have rights to share opinions freely and others can disagree with the opinion posted freely as well.

Did you forget what you had written in the opening post?

Originally posted by 151:

When someone suggest that there are design issues with the game, for example the game balancing is bad or some game mechanic is unreasonable, they'll say that the game design is perfectly fine.That person suggesting it is having skill issues and he/she shouldn't complain, and should practice the game instead.

The quote above counters the right to have an opinion because perfectly fine is an opinion as is having skill issues and practice the game instead. For example some people haven't beaten boss X because they have not learnt the fight to actually beat boss X and despite being given advice on how to they blame the mechanics, the design being flawed etc.

Originally posted by 151:

But is it appropriate to tell people to leave or label people as "noobs" or "haters" because you think they are talking bad things about the game you like?

Is it appropriate to call others fanboys, shills, white knights etc? No.

Why not? Because it does not encourage as you chose to word it.

Originally posted by 151:

Is this a healthy behavior for a game community?

And finally speaking of healthy behaviour for a game community, is cheating in online games healthy? Obviously not as you are spoiling the enjoyment of others who do not cheat, in fact you are choosing to not practice the game and have no reliance on skill. It is "I must win" to the detriment of the community. Even more ironic is when someone who cheats in online games, is banned and then complains about cheaters.

Originally posted by 151:

By observation, I see this kind of players in many communities of the games that I play.

When someone suggest that there are design issues with the game, for example the game balancing is bad or some game mechanic is unreasonable, they'll say that the game design is perfectly fine.That person suggesting it is having skill issues and he/she shouldn't complain, and should practice the game instead.

When the game devs break their own own promises and fail to deliver a finished product, they tell whoever that questions on the game's pricing and development progress to be quite and be patient.

They actively go and comment in posts that complain about flaws of a game.

Is this a healthy behavior for a game community? And what their motives might be? I'd like to see some thoughts, thx.

We're all fanbois to a certain extent, it is just generally accepted that online it will reflect real-life where you will run into a fanboi just that online there is a screen between the parties involved thus resulting in those who will vent more on here.

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by 151:

I certainly agree that that people have rights to share opinions freely and others can disagree with the opinion posted freely as well.

Did you forget what you had written in the opening post?

Originally posted by 151:

When someone suggest that there are design issues with the game, for example the game balancing is bad or some game mechanic is unreasonable, they'll say that the game design is perfectly fine.That person suggesting it is having skill issues and he/she shouldn't complain, and should practice the game instead.

The quote above counters the right to have an opinion because perfectly fine is an opinion as is having skill issues and practice the game instead. For example some people haven't beaten boss X because they have not learnt the fight to actually beat boss X and despite being given advice on how to they blame the mechanics, the design being flawed etc.

Originally posted by 151:

But is it appropriate to tell people to leave or label people as "noobs" or "haters" because you think they are talking bad things about the game you like?

Is it appropriate to call others fanboys, shills, white knights etc? No.

Why not? Because it does not encourage as you chose to word it.

Originally posted by 151:

Is this a healthy behavior for a game community?

And finally speaking of healthy behaviour for a game community, is cheating in online games healthy? Obviously not as you are spoiling the enjoyment of others who do not cheat, in fact you are choosing to not practice the game and have no reliance on skill. It is "I must win" to the detriment of the community. Even more ironic is when someone who cheats in online games, is banned and then complains about cheaters.

So quick question, why do you sound like I've offended you just by asking how people think about certain type of players? Did I say something that hurt your feeling?

Second, in your opinion, is it that calling people "noobs", "haters" then ask people to shut up and get out of a community for questing about a game is appropriate, while calling others "fanboys" is inappropriate? Just asking for curiousity.

Originally posted by 151:

So quick question, why do you sound like I've offended you just by asking how people think about certain type of players? Did I say something that hurt your feeling?

Second, in your opinion, is it that calling people "noobs", "haters" then ask people to shut up and get out of a community for questing about a game is appropriate, while calling others "fanboys" is inappropriate? Just asking for curiousity.

You chose to use the word "fanboys" in the thread title, see it as none offensive, then ask if it is appropriate to use "noobs or haters" when in fact all those terms are inappropriate, as is shill and white knighting because if as you claim:

Originally posted by 151:

I certainly agree that that people have rights to share opinions freely and others can disagree with the opinion posted freely as well.

Then none of those terms should be used in a healthy discussion nor in thread titles.

And finally as to the other point i raised.

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

And finally speaking of healthy behaviour for a game community, is cheating in online games healthy? Obviously not as you are spoiling the enjoyment of others who do not cheat, in fact you are choosing to not practice the game and have no reliance on skill. It is "I must win" to the detriment of the community. Even more ironic is when someone who cheats in online games, is banned and then complains about cheaters.

Based on:

Originally posted by 151:

Is this a healthy behavior for a game community?

Is cheating healthy for the community in online games?

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by 151:

So quick question, why do you sound like I've offended you just by asking how people think about certain type of players? Did I say something that hurt your feeling?

Second, in your opinion, is it that calling people "noobs", "haters" then ask people to shut up and get out of a community for questing about a game is appropriate, while calling others "fanboys" is inappropriate? Just asking for curiousity.

You chose to use the word "fanboys" in the thread title, see it as none offensive, then ask if it is appropriate to use "noobs or haters" when in fact all those terms are inappropriate, as is shill and white knighting because if as you claim:

Originally posted by 151:

I certainly agree that that people have rights to share opinions freely and others can disagree with the opinion posted freely as well.

Then none of those terms should be used in a healthy discussion nor in thread titles.

And finally as to the other point i raised.

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

And finally speaking of healthy behaviour for a game community, is cheating in online games healthy? Obviously not as you are spoiling the enjoyment of others who do not cheat, in fact you are choosing to not practice the game and have no reliance on skill. It is "I must win" to the detriment of the community. Even more ironic is when someone who cheats in online games, is banned and then complains about cheaters.

Based on:

Originally posted by 151:

Is this a healthy behavior for a game community?

Is cheating healthy for the community in online games?

Okay, so in your opinion it's inappropriate to label people who are being critical to a game/game dev as "noobs", "haters" or "having skill issues" and it's not okay to tell people to shut up and get out of a community. And also that "fanboy" is an inappropriate term. Am I right?

And in my opinion, cheating is absolutely bad for online PVE and PVP games. I oppose people that use hacks in multiplayer games as it ruins other people's experience. But I don't oppose using cheats for single player experience. As that doesn't affect anyone else.