Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

Originally posted by b0ss_302:

Well that sucks for you

Good thing I'm on a modern ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ PC.


And also good thing that I'm not on boomer windows 7 lmfao

what does a person born between 1946-1964 have to do with windows 7?

also, you claim modern, but fail to provide specs to prove it.

"Boomer" Windows would be 95/98 since that lines up with the 90s tech and internet boom that the Millenial generation grew up through.

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

What you have suggested has been suggested countless times over the years. A legacy launcher would still have to be compatible with the backend. This means that it would have to be compatible with the newest version of Steam. This includes the version that won't be compatible with Windows 7.

Testing would also be an issue. This was another thing the Dolphin crew explicitly referenced in their Windows 7 EOL post: none of the people actively working on it run Windows 7 anymore so they have no practical way of testing on that OS. Of course, Valve have the resources to manage that better, but what's the point when 7 is at a 1.03% share and falling?

Originally posted by lsdninja:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

what does a person born between 1946-1964 have to do with windows 7?

also, you claim modern, but fail to provide specs to prove it.

"Boomer" Windows would be 95/98 since that lines up with the 90s tech and internet boom that the Millenial generation grew up through.

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

What you have suggested has been suggested countless times over the years. A legacy launcher would still have to be compatible with the backend. This means that it would have to be compatible with the newest version of Steam. This includes the version that won't be compatible with Windows 7.

Testing would also be an issue. This was another thing the Dolphin crew explicitly referenced in their Windows 7 EOL post: none of the people actively working on it run Windows 7 anymore so they have no practical way of testing on that OS. Of course, Valve have the resources to manage that better, but what's the point when 7 is at a 1.03% share and falling?

not at all what boomer means or what they meant by it either.

"Boomer" has nothing to do with the '90's lol

It's a derogatory term for a person born during the baby boom from 1946 to 1964.

The majority of people who use it, have no idea when the baby boom even was. I've been called a "boomer" and I was born in 1972.

Gotta love young adults and kids today.

"Tech boomer" isn't a thing, but it definitely needs to be. I was born in 1982 and seeing people around my age pine for the "good ol' days" of tech almost word for word identically to what my (baby boomer) parents were saying about the proliferation of PCs thirty years ago is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

Originally posted by ☎need4naiim☎:

What Steam should have done, is like below:

For users who don't want to use W10/W11/Linux, Valve should provide them earlier versions of Steam (the latest version of Steam downloadable at the official site for a specific OS, like version vX.X for Windows 7, version vY.YY for Windows XP and so on) and make those people download, update their games whenever they wish through online connection as long as online protocols between the users' PC and Steam servers are intact and working.

I am on Windows 10 since 2015 and i can already see the REAL REASON behind this unfair action for Win7 users. It is ridiculous that Win7 users are not even allowed to play their games offline from 2024 onwards. I can see the underlying reason. And it is not exactly that "Google Chromium did it, not us" notion.

Hello

Well interresting idea but i see differents problems with it.

The first one is that steam package is not a complete package, most of the time when you download steam from the store, it does not fully setup only with the file you have downloaded from the store, it will download the fully client itself and uptate it directly from the cdn itself.
So in this case valve have to change the way they are providing the client itself by offering a full client that, immediatly after been installed, does not made any update of itself.
Well i see nothing here impossible to do, it's like you can do yourself on your hdd by using a steam.cfg and saving steam in a .7z archive file., nontheless to archive that goal, it requiere some works on infrastructure just to let people downloading the full client and also works to do the full client package and to test it.

The second one is backend compatibility and this part is more incertain that the first point i talked about.It's hard to understand how backend and client are linked together despite , it's just https requests, javascript and steampipe on the background.But again it will surelly needed more or less some adjustements here also to make the things working together.If you're a bit curious, you can find a yt video , posted 4 years ago showing that steam was running on xp and even on 2020 if you check comment.Well it's hard to verify , because, well it's a video nothing else.This means the backend need some backward compatibility here also more or less , nothing impossble but like always, nothing is free in our world.

The third one and the last , is more less linked to both of them.I do not think honestly we will still use xp, windows 7 in 10 years (as exemple) unless it will be an absolute necessity that only happen on industry or army or health most of the time.The old os does not even have the drivers to run on a new hardware and surelly can't fully use it and do not forget that most games have backward compatitibility on os ( windows ).So does it worth the effort when games are doing the job

So nothing impossible here, just a question of will.This does not mean we do not have to be vigilent and accept everything because i think the move that will be asked in 5 years will be more complicated imo with os requiering new chip ( tpm) and who know what other bs in the futur when we need to change our way of consuming stuff now and not in 20 years ...
Yes you can bypass them but again, if you're the same people that come here and say , hey check the tos or ssa of steam and blablabla ,how can you be agree with this sort of practice done with os by bypassing it requierement with tools...

May be we can start to think together about that instead of fighting ....

Originally posted by bidulless:

Originally posted by ☎need4naiim☎:

What Steam should have done, is like below:

For users who don't want to use W10/W11/Linux, Valve should provide them earlier versions of Steam (the latest version of Steam downloadable at the official site for a specific OS, like version vX.X for Windows 7, version vY.YY for Windows XP and so on) and make those people download, update their games whenever they wish through online connection as long as online protocols between the users' PC and Steam servers are intact and working.

I am on Windows 10 since 2015 and i can already see the REAL REASON behind this unfair action for Win7 users. It is ridiculous that Win7 users are not even allowed to play their games offline from 2024 onwards. I can see the underlying reason. And it is not exactly that "Google Chromium did it, not us" notion.

Hello

Well interresting idea but i see differents problems with it.

The first one is that steam package is not a complete package, most of the time when you download steam from the store, it does not fully setup only with the file you have downloaded from the store, it will download the fully client itself and uptate it directly from the cdn itself.
So in this case valve have to change the way they are providing the client itself by offering a full client that, immediatly after been installed, does not made any update of itself.
Well i see nothing here impossible to do, it's like you can do yourself on your hdd by using a steam.cfg and saving steam in a .7z archive file., nontheless to archive that goal, it requiere some works on infrastructure just to let people downloading the full client and also works to do the full client package..

The second one is backend compatibility and this part is more incertain that the first point i talked about.It's hard to undestand how backend and client are linked together despite , it's just https requests, javascript and steampipe on the background.But again it will surelly needed more or less some adjustements here also to make the things working together.If you're a bit curious, you can find a yt video , posted 4 years ago showing that steam was running on xp and even on 2020 if you check comment.Well it's hard to verify , because, well it's a video nothing else.This means the backend need some backward compatibility here also more or less , nothing impossble but like always, nothing is free in our world.

The third one and the last , is more less linked to both of them.I do not think honestly we will still use xp, windows 7 in 10 years (as exemple) unless it will be an absolute necessity that only happen on industry or army or health most of the time.The old os does not even have the drivers to run on a new hardware and surelly can't fully use it and do not forget that most games have backward compatitibility on os ( windows )

Thanks for your kind and simplified comment on rather intricated issue.

I am of the conviction that Steam can make those easy adjustments within a few days with the help of their coders in possession but i sense they didn't see any money-based profit on that. If Valve wants to earn something out of it (by enabling older OSes functionality in the future instead of leaving thousands of gamers in the lurch regardless of how many games those loyal Steam users gave money to Steam over those years), they can ask for $10 or $20 to enable older OSes to function as legacy Steam. Though this option may seem ridiculous now, it is MILLION TIMES BETTER than the current implementation of "you won't be even playing those games in your library offline from now on in that OS. Change your OS or forget your games altogether" type of F A S C I S M. Because huge amount of games can only be found here to be bought, and a plethora of others require real Steam accounts to activate their games. Valve should think about its customers' situation because Life can be very, VERY hard for some people out there and those people may not get any chance to upgrade their PCs for the next XY years due to several unfortunate reasons.

If i had been at the helm of Valve, i would have done the above implementations and saved several gamers' lives. (A gamer live inside his/her PC) Steam should NOT follow the footsteps of Elon the Corrupt Musk and try to be LESS BRUTAL on their customers, especially those who are unfortunate in this life. Steam shouldn't add another kick on those people too, but offer them OPTIONS (even asking money to offer support for legacy versions IS a doable option) as a billion dollar world leading company in Gaming Industry.

Originally posted by ☎need4naiim☎:

Thanks for your kind and simplified comment on rather intricated issue.

I am of the conviction that Steam can make those easy adjustments within a few days with the help of their coders in possession but i sense they didn't see any money-based profit on that. If Valve wants to earn something out of it (by enabling older OSes functionality in the future instead of leaving thousands of gamers in the lurch regardless of how many games those loyal Steam users gave money to Steam over those years), they can ask for $10 or $20 to enable older OSes to function as legacy Steam. Though this option may seem ridiculous now, it is MILLION TIMES BETTER than the current implementation of "you won't be even playing those games in your library offline from now on in that OS. Change your OS or forget your games altogether" type of F A S C I S M. Because huge amount of games can only be found here to be bought, and a plethora of others require real Steam accounts to activate their games. Valve should think about its customers' situation because Life can be very, VERY hard for some people out there and those people may not get any chance to upgrade their PCs for the next XY years due to several unfortunate reasons.

If i had been at the helm of Valve, i would have done the above implementations and saved several gamers' lives. (A gamer live inside his/her PC) Steam should NOT follow the footsteps of Elon the Corrupt Musk and try to be LESS BRUTAL on their customers, especially those who are unfortunate in this life. Steam shouldn't add another kick on those people too, but offer them OPTIONS (even asking money to offer support for legacy versions IS a doable option) as a billion dollar world leading company in Gaming Industry.

Hello

Nothing is as simple as we think and even the situation i tryed to paint that's why i think we can all discuss about that all together.

And agree with you many people won't surelly been able to migrate because of hardware and about situations of people you described . But you just forget one thing into the equate ; steam, like any other company, is not your friend ..
It's always better when you choose the path you want to ride on, rather than when this path is forced to you.Just keep in mind we allready have the tools in our hand with the steam.cfg but true, no clue how long it will last.

Games we have bought doesnt need windows 10+, I dont see the reason Valve doesnt make 2 steams, a legacy and a modern, so people with windows 7 (like me) can still load the games. They must not be so clever letting people out of the steam platform. We cannot use their market-ing, buying new games and all other features platform has.

I have like 100 games still unplayed. Can I ask my money back before I be unable to play them?

Originally posted by bidulless:

But you just forget one thing into the equate ; steam, like any other company, is not your friend ..

That's why i wrote my above post about Steam asking for money from users who want to use a possible Legacy version of Steam. So that they will turn current situation into a profitable business for them as well if they don't want to do it for moral reasons.

I am aware Steam isn't our friend but must not dare to disconnect purchasers from their legal rights to access those games just because they bought those games here. When did we see it before? A market place disconnects the right for your licenses despite having nothing to do with the product itself???

That's the INNATE reason why this thread exists in the first place. And;

Originally posted by fladramon:

Games we have bought doesnt need windows 10+, I dont see the reason Valve doesnt make 2 steams, a legacy and a modern, so people with windows 7 (like me) can still load the games. They must not be so clever letting people out of the steam platform. We cannot use their market-ing, buying new games and all other features platform has.

I have like 100 games still unplayed. Can I ask my money back before I be unable to play them?

Thank you for the post, especially the bold part. We didn't accept being stripped of our legal licenses when Steam says so when we buy games in here (excluding Valve's own games). So, asking for that kind of legacy version is our LEGAL RIGHT, as long as our OS is 100% compatible with the game licenses we bought.

Originally posted by fladramon:

Games we have bought doesnt need windows 10+, I dont see the reason Valve doesnt make 2 steams, a legacy and a modern, so people with windows 7 (like me) can still load the games. They must not be so clever letting people out of the steam platform. We cannot use their market-ing, buying new games and all other features platform has.

I have like 100 games still unplayed. Can I ask my money back before I be unable to play them?

Or they could just stop updating steam permamently and let it be as its forever wich is the easier choice

Originally posted by ☎need4naiim☎:

That's why i wrote my above post about Steam asking for money from users who want to use a possible Legacy version of Steam. So that they will turn current situation into a profitable business for them as well if they don't want to do it for moral reasons.

I am aware Steam isn't our friend but must not dare to disconnect purchasers from their legal rights to access those games just because they bought those games here. When did we see it before? A market place disconnects the right for your licenses despite having nothing to do with the product itself???

That's the INNATE reason why this thread exists in the first place. And;

Hello

Again here the current answer is not as simple as it seems but let's be clear about what i wrote before.

I do not think there is some technical real difficulty making surch kind of client/tool despite the fog part of the link between it and the backend, it's more a question of will from valve than an insurmountable problem.

Asking money from valve about some kind of , let's say ESU, is really not the same kind of stuff and will require a lot more of changes in many others systéms and process like accounting systém, web site, steam client, duration of the ESU, validity check of the tool and ownership ( drm of the client itself ??? ) , databases, security and surelly many more points.
In this case may be a studies have to done just to evaluate the potentiality of surch change and impact on the existing systém..
And for how long ? 1 year, 2 years, 5 years, more ? This can be the main question that can be introduced with a payed ESU. You need in this case some prospective view about the future and , well , knowing how fast technology is evolving nowaday (software and hardware), it's may be shooting oneself in the foot because if you ask for money about something, that have some statutory requierements from valve that could slow/block them on certains aspects.

And if my point of view about a "legacy client" is somehow a mixed opinion, it's clearly a no for the ESU but again why not if there is a potential market and gain for valve (1.32% on last survey )

Originally posted by lailaamell95:

Originally posted by fladramon:

Games we have bought doesnt need windows 10+, I dont see the reason Valve doesnt make 2 steams, a legacy and a modern, so people with windows 7 (like me) can still load the games. They must not be so clever letting people out of the steam platform. We cannot use their market-ing, buying new games and all other features platform has.

I have like 100 games still unplayed. Can I ask my money back before I be unable to play them?

Or they could just stop updating steam permamently and let it be as its forever wich is the easier choice

And also the most unsafe and insecure choice.

Xp now win7,win8..then repeat with 10,11 in years to come..sorry It's not what I want to subcribed to buy my games..if I want to stick on one OS for my personnal reasons that's my choice ,I Don't want to be force to change on the threat of not having access to MY games legitimly bought..I will cease using STEAM for any buying games.(Already done since April).Will use it only for chating on cell app with my friends

Originally posted by xtractor:

Xp now win7,win8..then repeat with 10,11 in years to come..sorry It's not what I want to subcribed to buy my games..if I want to stick on one OS for my personnal reasons that's my choice ,I Don't want to be force to change on the threat of not having access to MY games legitimly bought..I will cease using STEAM for any buying games.(Already done since April).Will use it only for chating on cell app with my friends

And it took you how many years to clue in that live services drop OS support?

I mean if don't want keep software updated then either stick to console, or stick to DRM free only it's a no brainer.

Originally posted by xtractor:

Xp now win7,win8..then repeat with 10,11 in years to come..sorry It's not what I want to subcribed to buy my games..if I want to stick on one OS for my personnal reasons that's my choice ,I Don't want to be force to change on the threat of not having access to MY games legitimly bought..I will cease using STEAM for any buying games.(Already done since April).Will use it only for chating on cell app with my friends

And Windows 2000 before they ended support for XP and Vista. This is all in the agreement that you agreed to when you create a Steam account. You should have read it, because that agreement hasn't changed since 2003.

This is how I know that the majority of Windows 7 users didn't read that agreement or this wouldn't have taken them by such surprise.

It always pays to read the fine print.

For reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, Valve may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions of or otherwise enhance the Content and Services and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Content and Services may change over time.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/#2

The word content refers to your games, the word services, refers to Steam.