no
they were there by ages
you see that at the very beggining
yes
how you finished the game withotu see that, there are at least 4 sins commited

Originally posted by Charmed Life:

no
they were there by ages
you see that at the very beggining
yes
how you finished the game withotu see that, there are at least 4 sins commited

2. What do you mean the enemies get there by 'ages'?
3. I mean where do you see him/his body when you go back in time? He should be somewhere
5. I mean not without player intervention. I have to get the election early to get it to happen.

Regarding saving people: To my knowledge you cannot "save" The Assassin nor Naevia. I got the achievement for saving all possible characters, there just doesn't seem to be a way to steer those conversations (in game, and also within the world as written) in such a way that either of them could be "saved". The Assassin has ZERO interest in anything surrounding him. From the instant he drops into the city, he is convinced that he is still alive AND that he's stumbled into the lair of the cultists he's after. Speaking to him at all is an unwinnable Catch-22. If you tell him about The Golden Rule, then you ARE by necessity playing into his preconceptions that you are all Cultists and reinforcing those beliefs by taking the superstitions (from his perspective) seriously. If you DO NOT reinforce those beliefs, by informing him and/or ensuring that he follows the rules, then there's no possible way to avoid him breaking The Golden Rule. His self-professed intent is to murder Malleolus because he (rightly, though all but accidentally) believes that he is Quintatius (sp?). He then plans to murder everyone else, which he tells you in some of the dialogue you get if you botch talking him down at the bathhouse and he decides to murder you on the spot (he says this then asks you if you have any last words). As for Naevia, there's just no way to get near her (to my knowledge) that wouldn't lead to her butchering Galatea. Also, the *implication* is that when everyone else is freed from The City, she and her subjects are, as well. She doesn't interact with anybody in the city, and wants to live alone. If she survives, she likely continues this tendency in whatever life she takes up afterward. I didn't look *too* close, so Naevia's model *may* be among the crowd at the end, as Galatea (not even her real name) is almost certainly doing fine down there. There's not much reason to go interact with Naevia or any of the surrounding content once you've gone through it once while getting The Golden Bow. In subsequent Time Loops, you wouldn't have gone there and she won't be driven by fear of you to mutilate her favorite statue (and presumably a couple others as she frantically tries to wrap up her work before you get there). Proserpina doesn't really touch on the subject, but I think that it's pretty reasonable to assume that if she can work with Time Loops, set all the Main Cast up with tons of currency and prep them for life in the 21st century (when they all previously spoke Latin and any number of other dead languages), and un-gild all the statues (dating all the way back to the Babylonian era), she can fix/revert/prevent whatever damage you and Naevia did to some of the statues by shearing off their skin, shooting them with arrows and/or re-gilding them. That the epilogue remembers to account for the golden statues that pre-date your arrival is already better than many games of this type will do, and I think the charitable read by extension is that every save-able life outside your direct control IS saved by Proserpina. Anything beyond that would have to be impossibilities, and thus wouldn't be your moral/ethical responsibility because it falls within neither your own nor Proserpina's power to help them. I prefer to believe that EVERYONE involved in Hades' gambit was saved by Proserpina by whatever means she has at her disposal, including Naevia, who is just conspicuously absent because she personally flensed a bunch of those people (while the statue known as Galatea likely had to watch) and that kind of makes for an awkward reunion when she could just be secluding herself somewhere instead.

As for Al, he's accounted for at all points. When you first arrive at the city, he is the statue of the hanged man. He underwent looping like you did, though likely to a MUCH higher degree of repetition, and it drove him mad until he self-terminated. He's an older man with a beard in his hanged iteration, but you see him as a young man (20s-30s as opposed to 50+) in every ending where you create a paradox and the two of you meet at the exact moment/age that he enters the city. If you didn't get endings 2 and 3: when you find Sentilla in the upper cistern, Sentius reveals his Evil Plan to you. He remembers everything between loops just like you and Al, but he gets to keep living his best (final) day over and over again. He's already the magistrate on his last day, eating the best food and living in the best house, with perfect knowledge of where every statue is and how to dodge/avoid them as well as untold predictive powers. Just like us, he's getting more information/outcomes and more clever insights with every loop and he has the ENTIRETY of Al's life spent in Loops to draw from before we ever even showed up. When someone inevitably breaks The Golden Rule, however it comes about, he just runs over to the shrine and says his prayer and dies and gets to start the loop again. From his perspective he's beat the system; because someone (including him if needs be) breaking The Golden Rule is an inevitability by this point. Technically, it's Al's life that powers The Loops, not Sentius' even though he's the one "dying". Sentius gets all the benefits of living his last day over and over again, while Al is burdened with trying to fix a situation that's un-fixable because Sentius will never let it BE fixed. Sentius is no longer in danger of being turned to gold or killed, either. You and Al technically *can* harm or even kill him, but you *won't* because it's the worst possible paradox that'll trap the two of you in a dead inescapable city. It's also the kind of thing neither of you really canonically have on the table as an option in the first place. If anyone in the system tries to hurt him or oppose him, it'll immediately trigger The Golden Rule. If he catches a stray arrow, then that timeline undoes itself. If he can't do the summons for you because he died, but you *aren't* the one who kills him, then you can't be there to influence whatever led to breaking The Golden Rule (including motivating him to do it), and thus it never happens and he never catches the stray arrow in the first place. So *he* gets to be functionally immortal, while you and Al are trying to rescue him in REAL TIME. Every loop is treated like one full day, even if it's technically not, just go with it for the gameplay abstraction. Sentius gets DECADES worth of loops out of Al before he goes insane. He got roughly two more weeks outta me. From Sentius' perspective, there's not really a difference when Al finally dies because he just goes and does the ritual AGAIN like he always does. From Al's perspective he woke up 5 minutes before us, walked into the portal, lived the rest of his life in The Loops, DIED ON THAT SAME DAY ~2000 years *before* he walked in, and then his 'body' just sat there outside the shrine with all the rest of the final inhabitants turned to golden statues, for 2000 years until we showed up. We walk right past it, and now we are the only person to emerge from the portal because Al never walked through OUR SIDE, which means he was never there. We don't see his body in the "past" populated version of The City because Al was never there in any of the loops we're in. Sentius remembers him because he's been present for EVERY portal from HIS SIDE and he ONLY 'wakes up' at the start of a new loop when SOMEBODY actually steps through. Sentius doesn't need to know that he's in The Underworld, he just needs to know vaguely how the portal it works. He does the ritual, he dies, the loop starts him over back at whatever moment Proserpina picked for the portal to dump us back out and he gets to live his Groundhog Day again from there. What he DOESN'T know, because he kind of can't and definitely doesn't care, is that We and Al only make it TO the city in OUR TIME because of Charon's Obol and a freak coincidence; and we are the last two people who will EVER make it. So Sentius thinks there's like an infinite supply of us, one after another, forever. It kinda holds up; when the last guy died and he started the loop again, we popped out instead. From his perspective IF he wakes up then someone ALWAYS ALREADY HAS entered the portal. He's got no reason to believe otherwise. Even IF he knew he's in The Underworld he'd still have every reason to believe there's an infinite supply of souls entering the city in our time, and thus fuelling his portal forever. Really, he's on the edge of oblivion and he doesn't even know it. If WE die in the loops, it's done-done FOREVER because our two Obols are the last ones in our time so no other souls will ever come through the portal again if we die and he casts his ritual that last time. I think even WE aren't supposed to know that until we GET one of the endings (rendering all others impossible and thus non-canon). Either Charon or Hades (depending on your ending) will point out that at the point in time we're time-looping in, there are only two un-accounted-for Obols left, and the generation currently in the city are inevitably doomed to Sin THAT DAY regardless of what we do. When you convince Hades to END The Golden Rule and free Proserpina, the paradox kicks us out to a moment in time BEFORE the portal was CREATED, which is why Al is nearby and alive. He never went in, so he never died (and we technically never went in either). The guy in the green shirt in the museum is Al a year or so after the adventure, who seemingly took the time to organize the reunion with Proserpina's help. If you're wondering who Al even IS to you, that's gonna be different based on your character background. Karen tells you during your epilogue, pretty much regardless of what ending you get, so long as you don't start your story with "I found a city". If you worked out that she is Charon, then you can pick that option that calls her out, and if you ask her about YOUR death then she can tell you how the two of you ended up with Obols in the first place.

The bullets thing, Idk. I trust the guy who said "yes"; it kinda makes sense because at the moment you stepped in you had 10 bullets, so the next time everything resets you'd have 10... right? But then again everything else you had in your pockets when you Loop stays the same; You don't lose keys and items you picked up in previous loops, you just HAVE the arrows and inventory you went INTO the portal with. I picked Archaeologist. The funny thing is, the pistol's gotta be near-useless because the only thing you can really do with it (even with 10 bullets PER run) is shoot a civilian to trigger The Golden Rule on-demand. You don't really get enough that I could ever really imagine it being useful as a substitute for the Bow (which you'll get when you kill The Assassin anyway). I know you don't *have* to get The Golden Bow, but having either bow *has* to be better than using a pistol with 10 shots for however-many mummies in the Egyptian Tomb section.

As for the MECHANICS of time in this game, I don't think it uses an internal clock necessarily. I think the game has a set of unresolved "Scenes", and if you interact with ANY of them that's one increment of "time". I know that Ulpius and Iulia can and will die if you run around talking to everyone else in town or running off to other scenes (like seeking out Khabash or going into the Cistern) instead of helping them, but I never once had The Assassin or Domitius or Aurelia or Rufius trigger The Golden Rule by fighting or hitting some arbitrary timer. Every time The Golden Rule was broken, it was due to something I did; whether that be triggering the election, attacking somebody, stealing something, or letting Duli out so he could steal something. When The Assassin stopped talking to me, everything was decided then-and-there. He was going to kill me, walk into the collapsing temple, or go walk up to Domitius and trigger The Golden Rule trying to kill him. If I got to Sentius first, I could get him to order me to kill The Assassin so I could trigger The Golden Rule before he attacks Domitius, but the end result is the same across the board. NPCs involved in the interaction get locked up, and the event plays out until The Golden Rule is inevitably broken. On the flip-side, sending Galerius to do stuff *also* locks up the NPCs so that no amount of real-time or "scenes" can stop you from successfully completing those scenes. Ulpius stands around in front of the palace instead of by the temple if you tell Galerius to handle it, he waits there until Galerius makes it over to him. Galerius DOES run around the city in real time resolving all the plot-lines, so you can hear/see the temple collapse on The Assassin from wherever you are/whatever you're doing, but at that point it's a scripted pantomime that's *waiting on him*. The events you told him to handle won't trigger until he gets there, so there's no chance he'll be too slow to get it done in time or mess it up somehow.

Is not a post, is a book.

lmao, not reading allat

The assassin does not get saved, but Naevia is among the crowd at the end, alongside that one statue she was infatuated with.

Unfortunately, no one truly knows how the peeled statues appeared in the Egypt Undercity. My best guess? Someone tried the same thing as Naevia back then.

When you first went through the portal, since Al never went through it again, he never appeared in the past. It gets confusing but basically, when you first time travel, Al...disappears from the timeline.

It's explicitly stated there is no way to get more bullets. Think about it like this: Every time you go through the portal, you keep the same amount of Arrows (if you got the gold bow) when you exit the portal. By that logic, bullets work the same way, and since no bullets existed 2000 years ago, you cannot get more. You have 10 shots and ONLY 10 shots.

You went through the whole game without letting the day play out in its entirety even once? If you do nothing, the sin that's committed is the intention of murder. At the election at the end of the day, by default, Malleolus wins and his first decree is to make Sentius fight in combat against his gladiator, Domitius. Domitius says "I'm gonna enjoy killing you, old man" and that sets off the Golden Rule.

Oh no, I always do early election. Didn't knot the day could expire.

Originally posted by Gamerwolfsix:

Oh no, I always do early election. Didn't knot the day could expire.

Ah. Yup, that's it. Once it gets darker, the priestess will call for the election and it'll ocurr.

Also, it doesn't matter if either Malleolus or Sentius wins, Domitius will still state his intentions anyway.

talking canonically and not mechanically. the assassin would definitely be the first to commit a sin if the player didn't intervene. outside of game logic there's no reason for him to wait for the player before he walks out. he would've shot the first person he found for "refusing" to tell him where his target is. the victim would most likely be either Desius or Virgil.

Originally posted by Charmed Life:

Is not a post, is a book.

Originally posted by Deep_wolf:

lmao, not reading allat

And than they ask why we consider zoomers the most pathetic generation

Originally posted by Wyrtt:

Originally posted by Charmed Life:

Is not a post, is a book.

Originally posted by Deep_wolf:

lmao, not reading allat

And than they ask why we consider zoomers the most pathetic generation

I'm 39 and I'm not reading it either. Reading a long-winded, poorly formatted rant is not a sign of patience, it is a sign of poor decision making.

Originally posted by Floppy Chops:

Originally posted by Wyrtt:

And than they ask why we consider zoomers the most pathetic generation

I'm 39 and I'm not reading it either. Reading a long-winded, poorly formatted rant is not a sign of patience, it is a sign of poor decision making.

The irony. Condisering that you only post rants