Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition

Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition

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CTIA 30 Dec, 2024 @ 5:18am
Are the Persians OP - yes or no?
Are the Persians OP - yes or no?

Bonuses:

1) x2 HP TC

2) Fast work rate TC

(So basically on Arena it is near impossible to bring down the Persians TC. Even idling one TC with a 1 TC all-in, Persians can just build second TC behind the second wall in Arena and outproduce you.) With the fast repair speed, it is almost impossible to bring down a Persian TC with Rams.


3) Savar

Basically a Cavalier in the Castle Age. Burgundians just a campaign meme civ now.


4) War Elephant

Basically a siege unit from the Castle too


5) Start with +50 food, +50 wood

Can do any strategy

6) Gunpowder castles

No chance of destroying their Trebs, no chance to dodge Ballistics

7) 100 wood Crossbows?

I mean come on, a double gold composition gifted to Persians on a plate
Do you realise how hard it would be with any other Civ, to make a double gold comp like Persians


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I forgot about the x2 HP TC, as so many Persian bonuses, and tried to push a Persian TC and Castle and they just hide with Gunpowder castles straight into fast Imp

Even with 2 groups of Teuton Blacksmith Pikemen 15, under TC, the Villagers just teleport in and out of TC repairing it in 2 seconds, destroying rams

Trebbed the Persian castle with 5 Trebs and they repair it from 5% hp,. after 15 TTK attack the foundation too and it still not drop. They take 2000 stone and have 4 castles, even abusing market.
Then they just spam the Cheap Crossbow and Savar with loads of cannons, it's like playing against 5 civs in one
Last edited by CTIA; 30 Dec, 2024 @ 5:22am
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CTIA 30 Dec, 2024 @ 5:24am 
**Seriously wake up Devs. the Greeks and Romans smashed the Persians.

everyone above 1500 ELO knows 100% the Persians bonus smash the Romans bonus, it's a fact.
Last edited by CTIA; 30 Dec, 2024 @ 5:24am
CTIA 30 Dec, 2024 @ 5:24am 
Civs who are proven to have high population like Hindustan and China are weak compared to the Mythical Persians
CTIA 30 Dec, 2024 @ 5:27am 
Most other civs = 1 strength eg villager numbers, military bonuses, eco bonus

Persians have every bonus
CTIA 30 Dec, 2024 @ 5:32am 
What will it be next, give the Aztecs stronger bonuses than Spain, even though Spain beat them easy :steamhappy:
FloosWorld 30 Dec, 2024 @ 6:05am 
Persians have been fine for the past 25 years, even before their rework.

As I said yesterday in your deleted post, Persians aren't even top 5 on Arena.

Savar is an Imperial Age unit

War Elephants are expensive, especially in 1v1

Xbows after Kamadaran cost 60 Wood + you need to invest 400 Food and 300 Gold in first place. Persians lack Bracer and Arbalest.
Kama 30 Dec, 2024 @ 6:59am 
Hello people. How are you? First of all, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. I haven't been to this forum for a long time and I'm glad that everything remains the same, where 800 elo players talk about how to balance the game.
CTIA 30 Dec, 2024 @ 7:20am 
Well when you have 15 Teutonic Knights attacking a building foundation (castle) and it still goes up with like 5% HP, then 5 Trebs smash the castle for 10 minutes and I'm about to resign while the Trebs smash it before it finally goes down

Right after the x2 HP Persian TC doesn't go down, the TC had like 20 percent HP and 2 petards barely even make a difference

Plus I idle the Persian main TC for 10 minutes

and they still afford Savar, 100+ Cheap Crossbow, Monks, 5 cannons & 3 Trebs, faster Imp, 4 castles, plus repair a castle from death twice with 2000 stone, repair a TC from death twice, Pikes, etc, + Gunpowder Castles bonus

All I have is Siege Onager with Teutons bonus and Skirms and Pikes and they afford all this

I had 2800 stone and can't even drop Castle too many cannons, BS
Last edited by CTIA; 30 Dec, 2024 @ 7:24am
CTIA 30 Dec, 2024 @ 7:26am 
Arena = Turks or Persians had to ban the map

Playing Persians Arabia now, probably breach 1000 ELO with Persians, just like I did with Poles before dropping to 600 ELO (balance)
CTIA 30 Dec, 2024 @ 7:27am 
I send my siege onagers to smash all their trees not make a difference, they barely even boom too and afford all that lmfao, just stick the castle down and walk the cheap xbows around then invest into gunpowder (easy civ)
FloosWorld 30 Dec, 2024 @ 7:39am 
I'll take a lot at your recent games and will get back. Maybe there's something you missed
CTIA 30 Dec, 2024 @ 7:40am 
Originally posted by FloosWorld:
I'll take a lot at your recent games and will get back. Maybe there's something you missed
It's okay I just should have used mangonels instead of ram

:AgeII:
FloosWorld 30 Dec, 2024 @ 9:16am 
Originally posted by CTIA:
Originally posted by FloosWorld:
I'll take a lot at your recent games and will get back. Maybe there's something you missed
It's okay I just should have used mangonels instead of ram

:AgeII:

I guess you talk about this game? That's the one I downloaded

https://www.aoe2insights.com/match/361566123/#overview

Yep, mangos against that TC would've been a better call.

Overall, I think what lost you the game was:
- Overinvesting in Feudal Age when your opponent was already in Castle
- Making Spearmen despite no Cavalry being on the field for the most time
- Reacting slowly with countermeasures, you made trebs only very late instead of right in Imperial where you could've killed blue's castle. You can even tech into Bombard Cannons as those snipe Trebs
- Using infantry vs archers (and especially later against Hand Cannons, a unit that gets +10 attack vs infantry!)
- Not deleting villagers for some extra Army. With 147 vills around an hour you can spare some
Last edited by FloosWorld; 30 Dec, 2024 @ 10:00am
Flame-kun 30 Dec, 2024 @ 9:25am 
Did you just got TC dropped?
James3157 30 Dec, 2024 @ 9:28am 
Originally posted by CTIA:
What will it be next, give the Aztecs stronger bonuses than Spain, even though Spain beat them easy :steamhappy:

Ironically Aztecs have a 58.62% win rate against the Spanish on 1v1 for the top 1% on non arabia maps, but at the same time it is worth mentioning that both the Aztecs (45.54%) and Spanish (44.88%) are currently ranked in the bottom 5 for win rates for top 1% with 1v1. While that does not take into an account all elo levels it does goes to show that Aztecs are not necessarily weak against the Spanish even if that is not historically accurate. Also, even at lower elo levels the Spanish have a weakness against Aztecs on arabia maps for 1200+ elo (56.68% win rate) and 850-1000 elo (62.22% win rate).

I remember it used to be the opposite where Aztecs and Spanish were among the top civs when it comes to win rates on 1v1 multiplayer, but not anymore. Aztecs not being a top civ anymore for top 1% happened a long time ago that probably took place before I first started playing this game from the month of June 2023. Spanish (44.88% win rate) and Turks (45.60% win rate) not being top civs anymore when it comes to 1v1 with top 1% is more recent where it is the opposite now with them both having low win rates for the top 1%.
Last edited by James3157; 30 Dec, 2024 @ 9:50am
chaoticbalrog 30 Dec, 2024 @ 9:52am 
Originally posted by FloosWorld:
Originally posted by CTIA:
It's okay I just should have used mangonels instead of ram

:AgeII:

I guess you talk about this game? That's the one I downloaded

https://www.aoe2insights.com/match/361566123/#overview

Yep, mangos against that TC would've been a better call.

Overall, I think what lost you the game was:
- Overinvesting in Feudal Age when your opponent was already in Castle
- Making Spearmen despite no Cavalry being on the field for the most time
- Reacting slowly with countermeasures, you made trebs only very late instead of right in Feudal where you could've killed blue's castle. You can even tech into Bombard Cannons as those snipe Trebs
- Using infantry vs archers (and especially later against Hand Cannons, a unit that gets +10 attack vs infantry!)
- Not deleting villagers for some extra Army. With 147 vills around an hour you can spare some
You can't train Trebuchets or Bombard Cannons in Feudal Age, you can only make them in Imperial Age.
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