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omnius

15 Jan @ 6:11am

A Revelation Question

I'm wondering how the revelations work. Are they mutually exclusive or can we pick all 3 of them to activate and have active together? If I pick one and then pick another does the second choice cancel the first?

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Originally posted by jotwebe:

No, they provided the correct information, you're not understanding it.

Every (world) religion can get three theologies.

There are three tiers of theologies.

You can combine theologies of different tiers, but cannot have more than one theology of the same tier in one religion.

Different religions can have different picks, so you could have one religion with revelation as the tier II theology pick and

There are no "revelations" there is only revelation (singular). which is one of the theologies (plural).

Enlightenment is a tier III theology, so a religion can have both the revelation and the enlightenment theology, because those are different tiers and you can combine those in one religion.

Tier I: Legalism, Mythology, Veneration
Tier II: Dualism, Gnosticism
Tier III: Enlightenment, Redemption

To check which are active in which religion, go to religions & families tab: top right corner of the screen, click on the three people standing beside each other (to the right of the sideways head and to the left of the horned helmet). You may have to click on "Religions" header to expand it if there is a plus beside it. It's above the "Families" header.

It will then show every religion in the game with your state religion on top. To the right of each entry is their opinion of you. If a religion has theologies, the theologies' icons are displayed in a column just to the left of that. It will also mention the theologies if you mouse over the religion name.

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mk11

15 Jan @ 9:20am

Revelation is a specific tier 2 theology. If you mean theologies in general, each religion can have 1 of each of the three tiers. AFAIK, once a theology has been picked it can't be changed.

Salty Biscuit has Old World

15 Jan @ 10:42am

Originally posted by mk11:
Revelation is a specific tier 2 theology. If you mean theologies in general, each religion can have 1 of each of the three tiers. AFAIK, once a theology has been picked it can't be changed.

I think I recently played a game where an event allowed me to change a theology, but other than that I don't think there's a mechanism for it.

omnius

16 Jan @ 6:06am

Originally posted by mk11:
Revelation is a specific tier 2 theology. If you mean theologies in general, each religion can have 1 of each of the three tiers. AFAIK, once a theology has been picked it can't be changed.

It doesn't matter which theology, I'm only focused on those 3 Revelation choices. I haven't seen when I pick one that it darkens out like it's not available to choose again which is definitely confusing. I'll have to play around with them to see if I can get all 3 Revelations active at once combining their effects. I wish the dev would make this clearer so when we pick one then it darkens out making it clear it can't be picked again.

mk11

16 Jan @ 7:00am

Your statement still doesn't make sense. May be a screen shot?

Siontific

16 Jan @ 7:02am

There isn't 3 revelation choices. As stated, Revelation is one theology out of 7 in total. That is the only context which the word "revelation" is used.

It's a single theology, not a set of choices.

omnius

17 Jan @ 6:04am

Let me explain this a little better. When you select a Disciple there are three choices for choosing either a Revelation, Dualism or Gnosticism. How many times can I pick either one? Can I pick more than 1 with multiple disciples? In other words can I pick Revelation more than once? If I've already chosen Revelation can I then pick Dualism and have both active giving both benefits or will Dualism replace Revelation? Within each theology there are those 3 separate disciple choices and the manual is unclear how they work.

mk11

17 Jan @ 9:41am

For each of the 4 religions it can only have one of those three picked and once only. So the only way you can pick more than one is by changing your state religion.

omnius

17 Jan @ 11:20am

Originally posted by mk11:
For each of the 4 religions it can only have one of those three picked and once only. So the only way you can pick more than one is by changing your state religion.

That's funny since I actually burned two disciples to choose Dualism and then Gnosticism which ended up giving me the Enlightened trait. So I was able to choose all 3 choices and I'll have to now figure out which one is active or if all 3 are. I never had to change religion. Plus it looks like I've got some new choices. If we could only pick one of those 3 then why don't they black out as not able to choose later on? I'm now using my current game to try to figure out how this works by actually testing things out.

You obviously don't know how this works so you should refrain from providing incorrect answers.

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jotwebe

17 Jan @ 11:56am

Dale Kent

17 Jan @ 11:57am

Originally posted by omnius:
Originally posted by mk11:
For each of the 4 religions it can only have one of those three picked and once only. So the only way you can pick more than one is by changing your state religion.

That's funny since I actually burned two disciples to choose Dualism and then Gnosticism which ended up giving me the Enlightened trait. So I was able to choose all 3 choices and I'll have to now figure out which one is active or if all 3 are. I never had to change religion. Plus it looks like I've got some new choices. If we could only pick one of those 3 then why don't they black out as not able to choose later on? I'm now using my current game to try to figure out how this works by actually testing things out.

You obviously don't know how this works so you should refrain from providing incorrect answers.

Hey, if you were able to pick multiple of the same tier, that sounds like a bug. Could I ask that you send me the save file so I can check out what's happening? Thanks :) dale@mohawkgames.com

Last edited by Dale Kent; 17 Jan @ 11:58am

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Siontific

17 Jan @ 3:20pm

Originally posted by omnius:
Originally posted by mk11:
For each of the 4 religions it can only have one of those three picked and once only. So the only way you can pick more than one is by changing your state religion.

That's funny since I actually burned two disciples to choose Dualism and then Gnosticism which ended up giving me the Enlightened trait. So I was able to choose all 3 choices and I'll have to now figure out which one is active or if all 3 are. I never had to change religion. Plus it looks like I've got some new choices. If we could only pick one of those 3 then why don't they black out as not able to choose later on? I'm now using my current game to try to figure out how this works by actually testing things out.

You obviously don't know how this works so you should refrain from providing incorrect answers.

Would you please stop being rude - there's literally no reason for it.

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omnius

18 Jan @ 6:03am

Originally posted by jotwebe:
No, they provided the correct information, you're not understanding it.

Every (world) religion can get three theologies.

There are three tiers of theologies.

You can combine theologies of different tiers, but cannot have more than one theology of the same tier in one religion.

Different religions can have different picks, so you could have one religion with revelation as the tier II theology pick and

There are no "revelations" there is only revelation (singular). which is one of the theologies (plural).

Enlightenment is a tier III theology, so a religion can have both the revelation and the enlightenment theology, because those are different tiers and you can combine those in one religion.

Tier I: Legalism, Mythology, Veneration
Tier II: Dualism, Gnosticism
Tier III: Enlightenment, Redemption

To check which are active in which religion, go to religions & families tab: top right corner of the screen, click on the three people standing beside each other (to the right of the sideways head and to the left of the horned helmet). You may have to click on "Religions" header to expand it if there is a plus beside it. It's above the "Families" header.

It will then show every religion in the game with your state religion on top. To the right of each entry is their opinion of you. If a religion has theologies, the theologies' icons are displayed in a column just to the left of that. It will also mention the theologies if you mouse over the religion name.

jotwebe - Thanks so much for taking the time to give an informative answer! Now I understand how the Theologies work as well as how Revelation fits in. I'll also have to check out the tab you suggested. Just trying to figure out the religion aspect as I've been neglecting it and now realize that was a mistake.

I found that screen you were talking about, very informative. I did see that my Manichaeism religion had 3 Theologies, Mythology, Dualism and Enlightenment which was the same as Judaism so looks like I now understand how those 3 disciple choices work.

Last edited by omnius; 18 Jan @ 6:21am

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omnius

18 Jan @ 6:25am

Originally posted by Dale Kent:
Hey, if you were able to pick multiple of the same tier, that sounds like a bug. Could I ask that you send me the save file so I can check out what's happening? Thanks :) dale@mohawkgames.com

It looks like there may be no bug, just my misunderstanding and incorrect terminology. Thanks for chiming in! I did see that after picking all 3 of the disciple theology choices my Manichaeism religion ended up with Mythology, Dualism and Enlightenment which was the same as Judaism which was the other active state religion shared by 2 AI's. I did try choosing another theology and found I couldn't so that looks correct as well. At least now I know how this works.

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