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All Biomes of the Guiding Lands on rank 7 & the discussion about cheating / glitching
A few days ago we had this discussion about cheating & glitching (= another word for cheating, where you make false usage of game-exploits - and in addition a word, which shall legitimate "smaller" cheating in general) in some other thread of this board.

Then I was looking for a simple information about... how to level my Desert Biome to rank 7, without ruining my other already upgraded biomes. Tried it via killing Velkhana... didn't work! It decreased Volcano-Biome. Tried Deviljho... didn't work! Cause it gave mixed results and the results were way too important considering the invested time per Deviljho. Tried tempered Rajang... and all Biomes except one went even down!

That was the story-background. So... I was wondering where I would get an information about how other... none-cheating gamers would solve this issue. So I asked the great oracle... I asked GOOGLE! I searched for... "All biomes on 7"... cause the great oracle isn't always thaaaat accurate anyways...

Now... look what my first hit on my great journey was...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T50HbGqURoU

... it's called... "all level 7 regions in Guiding Lands...bla bla...Borne".

The video describes... that the Guiding Lands-Biomes follow a hidden EXP-count and each killed or captured monster from a rank 7 biome grants 21 EXP to this biome (at ~2:00 mins of this video). And... (around 2:40 mins) you can see a calculation that... to get the opportunity to level all Guiding Lands-biomes to rank 7 (--> 7,7,7,7,7,7)... in theory you have to collect 151200 GL-EXP.
To sum it up... if you'd follow this calculation you'd have to complete 7200 Monsters spawning from a level 7-biome, to collect these 151200 GL-EXP.

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And there we're back by the topic... whether cheating and glitching is legitimate, cause what Capcom awaits here from their customers is obviously... BS! It's... 7200 trucks full of BS, if you ask me!

BUT!

Does that justify cheating and glitching in general?! I personally think... no I don't think so!

It's the same example:

You're one of Capcom's customers and you play this game blind! The point of gaming is playing games without guids and cheating tools!

From that perspective... you don't know about hidden counters and -formulas and -algorithms, which Capcom or some other Developers / Publishers place in their video games. You want to enjoy video gaming (not just... "gaming" like gambling!). That's why you bought this game. And now you're confronted with this menace.

First:

You don't even know that there's a hidden counter for Guiding Lands-EXP. If you're very lucky then you might stumble over this information after hundreds of ingame hours.

Second:

You'd have to complete 7200 monsters spawning from rank 7 biomes! Even if you'd have to cap/kill 7200 Great Jagras/ Great Girros that'd take forever! Especially the normal way!

*and here's a side swipe:

how do you want to get all biomes on RANK 7 around MR 150, hm? That'd would only work if you double-cheated! If you found an even shorter route, which is even more cheat and lesser glitch! (So... P.S.: yeah, I think of you as a boneless a-hole!)*

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It's not the general question, about whether you need to go that far and rank all biomes to 7, but some materials are only dropping in certain rank 7 biomes and that kinda makes this to an impossible task for certain MHW players. That would be a completely different situation if the Guiding Lands wouldn't be important for augmentation and crafting. But actually... that's the case.
So... at some point in the storyline Capcom forces you into a tutorial about augmentation to explain this........ well....... "amazing"...... game-feature....(wohoooooo--')... and then... most of the entire endgame-time you don't get the chance to augment anything from your inventory, cause of the kind of exotic materials you need for these special augments. Wonderful logic!!!

Which is especially sooo wonderful, cause so many fanboys defend the endgame of MHW on the STEAM-board. Maybe... that are all these... little... "fanboys" / wannabe-Speedrunners... which are HR12-15 with zero MR-levels, who already run around with Life Capes or Life Cape+ idk and die on the first hit which bypasses their precious tool.

--> in the same way I was already wondering whether some cheaters simply modify the game in the way that Life Cape runs permanent without downtimes, cause while equipped you can jump onto any monster head - whether it's Great Jagras or Fatalis doesn't matter and ram the monster into any wall or you can simply weaken body parts, without getting shaken off and taking damage at all.
Which is why every noob-f'cker runs around with Life Cape even on low- or high rank.

---> and in the same way I previously had the discussion with Shuzaku alias "my beloved bird-face...uhh -friend from STEAM-board" who claimed... "Capes and tools were always standard of MHW and so... are no cheating-tools".
That's what my little birdfriend claimed in one of our previous discussions ...not so long ago.
He-She also stated, that Guardian Armor is sooo much worse, cause MH newcomers wouldn't learn about dodging and crafting at all. Just funny that soooo many noobs run around with capes, isn't it?
I played MHW and Iceborn blind and I unlocked my first Life Cape on MR200+. It was merely accidental that I unlocked it, considering all the huge amount of useless and annoying side quests, you've to accomplish in MHW. But yeah... sure... every f'cker runs around with it on HR12 or 15!
Bet those smugs need a tutorial about crafting and dodging, too! Especially those, who rely toooooooooooo much on capes!

But hey, it's a discussion board! Let's! DISCUSS THIS! You know my opinion!
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D. Flame 9 Jul @ 3:19pm 
TL;DR:
It's possible to do it legit, but it will take tens of thousands of hours.
Last edited by D. Flame; 9 Jul @ 3:20pm
Originally posted by D. Flame:
TL;DR:
It's possible to do it legit, but it will take tens of thousands of hours.

In the same way you could mention that you can legitimately buy nuclear matter for nuclear warheads or that russia...legitimately... bombs hospitals, children and dams / barrages... cause russia has a permanent seat in the UN and makes usage of its Veto-rights.

BUT!

If we're discussing on this simple discussion-level then we can just... skip chatting and discussion-boards in general, cause then discussion would be meaningless.
Last edited by ErzPaladin; 9 Jul @ 3:37pm
Omnicide 9 Jul @ 4:04pm 
Originally posted by ErzPaladin:
Originally posted by D. Flame:
TL;DR:
It's possible to do it legit, but it will take tens of thousands of hours.

In the same way you could mention that you can legitimately buy nuclear matter for nuclear warheads or that russia...legitimately... bombs hospitals, children and dams / barrages... cause russia has a permanent seat in the UN and makes usage of its Veto-rights.

BUT!

If we're discussing on this simple discussion-level then we can just... skip chatting and discussion-boards in general, cause then discussion would be meaningless.

A case study in injecting politics into any discussion. Yes we all wanted to think about that in relation to Monster Hunter, thanks for sharing.

Name kinda checks out too.
oh wow OP so much to unpack.
Even if that video is 'true' it's objectively wrong. The reason is he's trying to get "all reigions to L7". That's not how you should be doing it. what you do, is figure out what you want to upgrade, get the lowest tier stuff, grind up to the high tier, switch biomes, do it again. This lets you unlock a fresh augment in around 5-10h

You "could" get them all to L7 but then you'd have to lock them, and that means you can't get the stuff you need from the lower zones, either. You're not meant to have it all at 7 all the time, it's meant to be in a flow state and it's specifically to add longivity to the game for those of us who have 'basically everything'. It gives us some mini-goal to work on when we have nothing left to do.

"Life Cape" you mean Temporal Mantle? it's OK, its required for some builds, like ZSD on S/A, it can guarantee a couple of tenderizers.... if someone is moddingit to last forever then that's cheating and cheating is cheating. "every noob runs around with" - only the ones that do the side missions. Exploration is rewarded; just like every Asian RPG that ever existed.

You don't help yourself much when you ragepost. You help yourself even less when you cover multiple separate topics in one thread.
One thread = one topic. It's already been derailed by some neo-political dude, so what chance of having a decent conversation do you think you'll have with multiple topics in the same Thread?
Originally posted by hotmantirxx:
oh wow OP so much to unpack.

I agree with you, just wanted to point out that the political post IS the OP. I know, I didn't realize it immediately either, seemed so off topic.
Last edited by Omnicide; 9 Jul @ 4:24pm
Originally posted by Omnicide:
Originally posted by hotmantirxx:
oh wow OP so much to unpack.

I agree with you, just wanted to point out that the political post IS the OP. I know, I didn't realize it immediately either, seemed so off topic.
Ah, ♥♥♥♥. They seem like different voices, I didn't notice, either.
aight, thanks for the heads-up. Time to unsub from this thread, I guess. GG's.
Originally posted by hotmantirxx:
oh wow OP so much to unpack.
Even if that video is 'true' it's objectively wrong. The reason is he's trying to get "all reigions to L7". That's not how you should be doing it. what you do, is figure out what you want to upgrade, get the lowest tier stuff, grind up to the high tier, switch biomes, do it again. This lets you unlock a fresh augment in around 5-10h

You "could" get them all to L7 but then you'd have to lock them, and that means you can't get the stuff you need from the lower zones, either. You're not meant to have it all at 7 all the time, it's meant to be in a flow state and it's specifically to add longivity to the game for those of us who have 'basically everything'. It gives us some mini-goal to work on when we have nothing left to do.

When you've all biomes on max, you can get everything! Cause you can let all tempered monsters being spawn in certain lvl 7 biomes. Some monsters like Namielle or Acid Glavenus only spawn in a single biome.
Untempered monsters on the other hand are compareably meaningless, cause you need the hardened materials for most, if not all augmentations and some Talisman-upgrades.
Hardened materials are tradeable into weaker material-versions... for example... you can trade a Hardened Diablos Hardhorn into Diablos Hardhorn or -Tyranthorn or however it is called in english.
So, yeah... having all biomes on 7 is a quite huge advantage. Especially, cause the Fatalis weapons are way weaker than they look like. Without balancing their weaknesses other weapons are at least on par if not better than Fatalis weapons. But maybe that varies from class to class. On GS that is definitely the case: I have the Black Fatalis GS and I don't like using it.

Originally posted by hotmantirxx:
"Life Cape" you mean Temporal Mantle? it's OK, its required for some builds, like ZSD on S/A, it can guarantee a couple of tenderizers.... if someone is moddingit to last forever then that's cheating and cheating is cheating. "every noob runs around with" - only the ones that do the side missions. Exploration is rewarded; just like every Asian RPG that ever existed.

that's complete BS! You are justifying cheating or glitching with skill-builds, which make the most out of this misery Capcom created in their idiocy, while you've to understand that this game is meant to be played without tools (like capes) completely. If MHW is soooooooo much depending on Life Cape and other glitchy "imba-tools", then these tools would be unlocked via completing story-relevant quests like... defeating your first Barioth! It doesn't even make sense that you've Life Cape before Barioth from the Iceborn Campaign, cause people learn nothing about real combat like this. Using Life Cape and compareable tools isn't real combat to begin with!
And it provokes cheaters to mod(ify) the attributes for Life Cape so that is has an extended or even infinite duration. Simply: cause no one can really say, whether the player was just playing incredibly good or whether he modified the Life Cape parameters.
Last edited by ErzPaladin; 9 Jul @ 6:40pm
No mantles, no Palicos, and no items except the freebies in the box at the start of the quest and what you can gather mid mission, or no balls. No top tier gear either, min-spec.

Everything above that is cheating, you wouldn't want to be a cheater would you?




lol
I don't see an actual question here if it present.

some materials are only dropping in certain rank 7 biomes and that kinda makes this to an impossible task for certain MHW players
If you need specific material from specific monster - you has feature to downgrade any region and level up anothers instead.

Region specific monsters can give you about 30% of level. More or less. With some exception like Barroth, Radobaan and Velkhana - this three monsters has a lot of brekable parts which affect amount of exp you get, because any action that give you research points also give you GL exp. For same reason capturing, and even trap spamming, is a thing. You need 3-4 kills per level in common and this is much more faster and less time consuming than grind for even one additional GL level.

I rebuild my GL from time to time, cos I mostly play solo, and I has no additional GL levels. Technically I has one, but it splits between three different characters, so it's not count :'D

Yes, I don't have additional GL levels on a single character in my 4500 hours.
You don't need this beside personal feeling of accomplishment something.

most of the entire endgame-time you don't get the chance to augment anything from your inventory, cause of the kind of exotic materials you need for these special augments. Wonderful logic!!!
You know that Great Jagras weapons is good? And it's r10 weapons, so you can use weapons with health augments much early if you want.

Dev logic is fine. Player logic is quetionable.

Even at release, where we has no Rajang, Raging Bruh, Safi and has only four regions, some players refuse to use 'weak weapons' with lower rarity and struggle until they can put augments to something stronger. It's partly problem of mentality, but mostly problem of meta-gaming. My personal opinion is: meta-gaming ruin games.

Oh, and two actual problem of what you talked about is:
1. Game don't tell you what exact material you need until you face this monster. You can assume what monster you need based on material icon and color, but that's all;
2. Free content updates added monsters with MR24 requirement, but which designed with all previous progression in mind and MR100 for health augment - was in Iceborne on release.

Which is especially sooo wonderful, cause so many fanboys defend the endgame of MHW on the STEAM-board. Maybe... that are all these... little... "fanboys" / wannabe-Speedrunners... which are HR12-15 with zero MR-levels, who already run around with Life Capes or Life Cape+ idk and die on the first hit which bypasses their precious tool.
Base game was a chore. You has five monster to grind until free title updates and events is come. After they comed - you have seven monsters to grind (KT was really good back in time and Lunastra is also not so bad), but you has some content for application your skill and gear. Pretty hard content for that time, but not for regular play. Problem was in randomness of warrior/hero stones drop and that we get seven different versions of them. You can easily has a lot of stones for weapons that you don't use in your stash and zero of needed.

I played game from first day of release and seen how free content updates change it.
For Iceborne: GL was much worse in past, but even then it was the best thing that happened with the game.

You can use is at intended and aim for materials or you can jump into it and spend hours just killing different monsters. GL also allow to see monster combinations that impossible in regular maps. And, from point of design, it not invalidate other game content. If you need bunch of non GL specific materials - you still need to use investigations to speed up process.

He-She also stated, that Guardian Armor is sooo much worse, cause MH newcomers wouldn't learn about dodging and crafting at all. Just funny that soooo many noobs run around with capes, isn't it?
With guardian armor you can eat hits from first monsters with no worry, you can do it several minutes non-stop and then pop one-two healing potions to fully heal yourself. This is game breaking, cos you won't get anything from such fight. This is the one of reason why new players get rekt in Iceborne or even at the end of base game story, where monster power already exceed guardian armor potential.

Also, just to clarify: you talked about Temporal mantle, what allow to auto-dodge?

If yeas - well, it's useles in noob hands, cos it prock six times at max before expire. But it's powerful tool in competent hands. Too powerful. It's also reward from post game quest chain with Lunastra, in base game. Back in time is was even more powerful, cos duration do not cuts when dodge prock.

If not... well... Vitality mantle give you 100 virtual not replenishable HP what works same way as you regular HP that means: more defence you has - more effective mantle is. It can save you sometimes, but not even close to be OP. It's also reward for 5* assigment quest in base game.

I played MHW and Iceborn blind and I unlocked my first Life Cape on MR200+. It was merely accidental that I unlocked it, considering all the huge amount of useless and annoying side quests, you've to accomplish in MHW.
It's actually your problem. Don't want to do side content - don't do it, but also do not complain about unlockable stuff. Players who complete side content has their stuff just in time. It's how games works.
Last edited by DoEFotGS; 9 Jul @ 8:05pm
Originally posted by Omnicide:
No top tier gear either, min-spec.
too far, if you're wearing any armor at all you are a shameless cheater.
Originally posted by Captainn:
Originally posted by Omnicide:
No top tier gear either, min-spec.
too far, if you're wearing any armor at all you are a shameless cheater.

I'm sorry, I thought I wasn't cheating, my lie is a life. Time to replay the entire game in hunter undies. Undters? Hundties?

...wait, what were we talking about?
Originally posted by Omnicide:
Originally posted by Captainn:
too far, if you're wearing any armor at all you are a shameless cheater.

I'm sorry, I thought I wasn't cheating, my lie is a life. Time to replay the entire game in hunter undies. Undters? Hundties?

...wait, what were we talking about?

we can discuss your pathetic existence in a seperate cheat... uhh... thread. Not that it'd interest me, though. But where does this justify imba-tools like Life Cape? It's funny, that... such crap like "Omni-Dodging-tools", which never existed in the early MH versions gets now sooo aggressively defended from always the same certain kind of MH players.

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The biome-topic is the exact same topic: it's always the same type of opportunistic gamers, which make usage of these kind of tools for their advantage. Completing 7200 (tempered) monsters on rank 7-biomes for gaining 151,2 k Biome-EXP as EXP-Wall... is like the achievement-list... to check, whether there are some foul cheaters online. Cause when you complete 7200 monsters like in the Guiding Lands like this, then you're either already MR 999 or you're dam.n close.
So, obviously ppl are cheating or using a far worse glitch, when they're around MR 150 and have all biomes maxed out. But sure! This community has sooooooooo much integrity not to question this occasion and Capcom? Capcom doesn't really bother to ban people from their content - even when it's dam.n clear that they're cheating!
Alright, I'll give it up dude. Every post you've made is copy-pasta worthy. Well played.

In the off chance you are serious. Why does it matter? Play single player or select group of like minded gamers. Also the arena quests are the best way to play the game from your apparent pov. Limited theme kits and no item reups with 4 player hp. Man those are fun, I need to go on a bender with them again.

Also here's the thing no one really wants to hear... Layered armor is cheating, you should feel pressured to take a stat decrease if you want to look good, it balances the game, and then the nublets that can't imagine life without perfect skills wear the clown suits for all to see... at least until certain MR sets come into play.
ominumi 9 Jul @ 11:06pm 
"Just because I can do it and you can't doesn't mean I'm cheating. It just means I'm better than you."
Originally posted by Captainn:
Originally posted by Omnicide:
No top tier gear either, min-spec.
too far, if you're wearing any armor at all you are a shameless cheater.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvjuBEvfkH8

this team does it with no armour main
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