Witches are a pain in sugar mill on realism expert.
They are not as easy to crown.

For commons In realism expert, you are supposed to use melee, shotguns, or magnum on them.
You are probably using a rifle or sniper instead so this is why you are having problems.

If you want more challenge then try realism hard eight

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=855579408

Originally posted by R3N:

Witches are a pain in sugar mill on realism expert.
They are not as easy to crown.

For commons In realism expert, you are supposed to use melee, shotguns, or magnum on them.
You are probably using a rifle or sniper instead so this is why you are having problems.

If you want more challenge then try realism hard eight

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=855579408

nah i already figured out the thing with commons, i just hate the fact that i am pretty much restricted to those weapons in order to still be able to reliably take them down.

Originally posted by Witch:

I used to think survival was lame, then I beat several campaigns on realism expert.

On paper, this gamemode sounds like a nice challenge, making you pay more attention to your teammates and look closer for items, and it also buffs witches which is always a plus in my book, but there are 2 changes that just kinda ruin the gamemode:

Tanky commons and witches that cant break doors (likely a bug but still)

Commons are the essence of l4d's gameplay. They are easy and satisfying to kill, and they are dangerous in numbers, but the moment you make the commons harder to kill, it suddenly gets boring because you keep having to land headshots with weird hitreg or firing tons of bullets to kill a single one, it is tedious.

This alone is grating but then we have witches that cant break doors, completely nullifying the buff they got that makes them unable to be crowned consistently.

Overall, realism could have been a better challenge if it didnt turn the most common enemy into the most boring to kill, turned a boss infected even more exploitable than it already is, and if it instead tried some other, better mechanics that could make the gameplay interesting (like being able to cover yourself and teammates with the bile jar)

Realism is the best mode in the game, the only disadvantage is the reduced kill rate of sniper rifles against ordinary zombies, the witch is killed by tonfa in 4 seconds without any doors, the horde is destroyed by tonfa without damage, if you aim well and feel their timing, tonfa is the best weapon in the game, realism is the best mode in the game!

Originally posted by Witch:

Originally posted by R3N:

Witches are a pain in sugar mill on realism expert.
They are not as easy to crown.

For commons In realism expert, you are supposed to use melee, shotguns, or magnum on them.
You are probably using a rifle or sniper instead so this is why you are having problems.

If you want more challenge then try realism hard eight

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=855579408

nah i already figured out the thing with commons, i just hate the fact that i am pretty much restricted to those weapons in order to still be able to reliably take them down.

Actually the supposed "meta" of realism expert is wrong! Many people think that shotguns are good but that's just lame playstyle. The best weapons are uzi, silenced uzi, mp5, for tier 2 ak, m16, sg552, and SCAR (SCAR is the least viable).

I would compare it to a so called "meta" in a game of Mann versus Machine in tf2, a scout who only collects money and doesnt shoot robots, when actually smart players just shoot AND collect money (very specific point but if you know you know). So the thing is, play with rifles and you will have infinitely more fun. Just don't forget to shoot for the heads! They are still great at crowd control and pushes in infinite events, you just have to spray at heads and it will work out
(also melees are must have, deagle is the same as my shotgun=scout in mvm tf2 meta argument: deagle is lame, owerpowered but i'm not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about anyone using it, whatever you prefer at the end of a day).

Originally posted by Witch:

Originally posted by R3N:

Witches are a pain in sugar mill on realism expert.
They are not as easy to crown.

For commons In realism expert, you are supposed to use melee, shotguns, or magnum on them.
You are probably using a rifle or sniper instead so this is why you are having problems.

If you want more challenge then try realism hard eight

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=855579408

nah i already figured out the thing with commons, i just hate the fact that i am pretty much restricted to those weapons in order to still be able to reliably take them down.

Also my personal favourite is m16: don't make poopy face if you think this is coming from a noob who doesn't know that ak is "better". M16 in realism expert is actually a preferable choice instead of ak specifically because it's more accurate at close range headshots, ak can't do close range headshots BUT it can be however a great crowd deleter too, but at the cost of having to: stop, shoot, advance, repeat. With m16 it's more like:shoot, advance, shoot, repeat.

Originally posted by R3N:

Witches are a pain in sugar mill on realism expert.
They are not as easy to crown.

For commons In realism expert, you are supposed to use melee, shotguns, or magnum on them.
You are probably using a rifle or sniper instead so this is why you are having problems.

If you want more challenge then try realism hard eight

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=855579408

You are wrong and accept humbly that you fell victim to shotgun in realism expert propaganda (read my previous replies)

I like playing Realism when i feel like having something different, like a "sugary" cereal once in a while.

The meta is a bit different, more enforced (unlike the non-realism campaigns counterpart),
llke some people above have mentioned.

I have to disagree with the shotgun hate. Even a classic shotgun (tier 1) provides phenomenal crowd control. it's not about ripping through zombies like a maniac, but using the shotgun to support the team by using it for crowd control and the occasional "rush forward, get the iinfected's attention, go back, clear them once they are lined up" play. Or one of my favourite tactics: when a horde is coming and there's just enough time, go into a room, run into the first corner you see, shoot everything that moves and then wait for your team to enter said room. Then, block the door with shoves and the occasional shot.

2 shotguns and 2 rifles (m16 preferably) make up a really solid team. Or 2 shotguns, 1 rifle and a "wildcard" that keeps changing weapons depending on the stage, situation, etc.
And.. uhm.. the snipers... I very rarely see them pull their weight on realism (expert). Not saying they are useless, but it takes 2 body shots to kill a common infected with a sniper.
I'm not gonna even comment on people that randomly join expert realism and pick up a scout or awp first thing... lol.

My opinion is a bit biased, due to the fact that i have quite a few game sessions under my belt. I very seldom play Official campaigns nowadays though.
If you like custom campaigns, checking them out on Realism is often worth it. Some custom campaigns are even designed for Realism!

Originally posted by Witch:

Originally posted by R3N:

Witches are a pain in sugar mill on realism expert.
They are not as easy to crown.

For commons In realism expert, you are supposed to use melee, shotguns, or magnum on them.
You are probably using a rifle or sniper instead so this is why you are having problems.

If you want more challenge then try realism hard eight

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=855579408

nah i already figured out the thing with commons, i just hate the fact that i am pretty much restricted to those weapons in order to still be able to reliably take them down.

A lot of developers fall into the trap of thinking that making something challenging equals narrowing the gameplay possibility space into a corner.

Payday 2 is the same way. On max difficulty, you're pretty much forced to go with the same loadout and skillset because nothing else is going to work.

People fancify the concept by calling it the "meta" rather than calling it what it truly is: lazy gameplay design.

Originally posted by Старый копейщик:

Realism is the best mode in the game, the only disadvantage is the reduced kill rate of sniper rifles against ordinary zombies, the witch is killed by tonfa in 4 seconds without any doors, the horde is destroyed by tonfa without damage, if you aim well and feel their timing, tonfa is the best weapon in the game, realism is the best mode in the game!:tank:

Machete and axe are the best melee in the game.
Problem with tonfa is that is a blunt weapon that can't cut smoker tongue and has one of the lowest hit rays in the game.

Tonfa:
First swing : Upper-right to lower-left, 8 rays
Second swing: Left to right, 20 rays

Axe:
First swing : Right to left, 20-24 rays
Second swing: Left to right, 20-24 rays

Machete:
First swing : Right to left, 12 rays
Second swing: Left to right, 21 rays

the hit rays will be swinging at larger portions of the infected's hitbox. Which means it will hit a lot more infected in 1 swing since it will be a wider hit rate in front of you.

With axe you can hit target in a 180 degree angle hitting multiple targets around you.

You can read more information here
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=412007318

Originally posted by Tiago:

I like playing Realism when i feel like having something different, like a "sugary" cereal once in a while.

The meta is a bit different, more enforced (unlike the non-realism campaigns counterpart),
llke some people above have mentioned.

I have to disagree with the shotgun hate. Even a classic shotgun (tier 1) provides phenomenal crowd control. it's not about ripping through zombies like a maniac, but using the shotgun to support the team by using it for crowd control and the occasional "rush forward, get the iinfected's attention, go back, clear them once they are lined up" play. Or one of my favourite tactics: when a horde is coming and there's just enough time, go into a room, run into the first corner you see, shoot everything that moves and then wait for your team to enter said room. Then, block the door with shoves and the occasional shot.

2 shotguns and 2 rifles (m16 preferably) make up a really solid team. Or 2 shotguns, 1 rifle and a "wildcard" that keeps changing weapons depending on the stage, situation, etc.
And.. uhm.. the snipers... I very rarely see them pull their weight on realism (expert). Not saying they are useless, but it takes 2 body shots to kill a common infected with a sniper.
I'm not gonna even comment on people that randomly join expert realism and pick up a scout or awp first thing... lol.

My opinion is a bit biased, due to the fact that i have quite a few game sessions under my belt. I very seldom play Official campaigns nowadays though.
If you like custom campaigns, checking them out on Realism is often worth it. Some custom campaigns are even designed for Realism!

Snipers are still better than rifles on expert realism since you can use the scope to snipe special infected or headshot commons to clean area. Especially when they pin down a team mate from a distance.

Just use melee or magnun for commons during hordes.

M16 is one of the worse guns in expert realism to use.
If you going to use rifle then use AK instead.


https://youtu.be/qrveJMgQzUI?si=XKOwmm8-NsZ7ZTfS&t=325

Originally posted by Player Twelve:

Originally posted by R3N:

Witches are a pain in sugar mill on realism expert.
They are not as easy to crown.

For commons In realism expert, you are supposed to use melee, shotguns, or magnum on them.
You are probably using a rifle or sniper instead so this is why you are having problems.

If you want more challenge then try realism hard eight

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=855579408

You are wrong and accept humbly that you fell victim to shotgun in realism expert propaganda (read my previous replies)

You are the one that is wrong.

SCAR > M16 and SG

If you going to use rifle then use AK47 instead you can snipe by crouching and and double tap, especially if you have laser.

Chrome shotgun is the best T1 weapon and better than most of T2 weapons in closed spaces.

M16 is one of the worse weapons in expert Realism to use.

https://youtu.be/qrveJMgQzUI?si=XKOwmm8-NsZ7ZTfS&t=325

Now if you want to prove me wrong. Try solo expert run in realism with M16 and tell me how it goes or better yet make a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wje730ksxU

Originally posted by R3N:

Snipers are still better than rifles on expert realism since you can use the scope to snipe special infected or headshot commons to clean area. Especially when they pin down a team mate from a distance.

The only thing we can extrapolate from this is that it depends on the player.

Are you gonna sit from afar and snipe? Or are you gonna close the gap and go to medium, close range quarters?

To each their own!

Originally posted by Tiago:

Originally posted by R3N:

Snipers are still better than rifles on expert realism since you can use the scope to snipe special infected or headshot commons to clean area. Especially when they pin down a team mate from a distance.

The only thing we can extrapolate from this is that it depends on the player.

Are you gonna sit from afar and snipe? Or are you gonna close the gap and go to medium, close range quarters?

To each their own!

Specials can also pull away team mates such as smokers, jockeys and chargers.
Had situation where I was mid range but could not get to team mate since commons were getting in the way. A quick zoom in and snipe could be very useful in this situation. Another one is hunter that does massive damage by the time you get near team mate.
Watch video I posted he explains reason why.

Originally posted by R3N:

Specials can also pull away team mates such as smokers, jockeys and chargers.
Had situation where I was mid range but could not get to team mate since commons were getting in the way. A quick zoom in and snipe could be very useful in this situation. Another one is hunter that does massive damage by the time you get near team mate.
Watch video I posted he explains reason why.

True that. But those are very specific situations and i'm usually an "all around" type of player.
I'll pick a sniper if the map is open, which generally isn't the case.

And ty for the suggestion on watching the video, but i watched 30 seconds and it's a hard pass for me.
1: i don't agree with weapons having tiers. it's literally down to the player and his own way of seeing the most successful strategy to go across the map (except the Scout, the AWP and the grenade launcher, but even these are good if you don't have any other weapon available).
2: That youtuber just idle'd to skip the weapon reload.. I stopped watching after that hahaha.

Originally posted by R3N:

Originally posted by Старый копейщик:

Realism is the best mode in the game, the only disadvantage is the reduced kill rate of sniper rifles against ordinary zombies, the witch is killed by tonfa in 4 seconds without any doors, the horde is destroyed by tonfa without damage, if you aim well and feel their timing, tonfa is the best weapon in the game, realism is the best mode in the game!

Machete and axe are the best melee in the game.
Problem with tonfa is that is a blunt weapon that can't cut smoker tongue and has one of the lowest hit rays in the game.

Tonfa:
First swing : Upper-right to lower-left, 8 rays
Second swing: Left to right, 20 rays

Axe:
First swing : Right to left, 20-24 rays
Second swing: Left to right, 20-24 rays

Machete:
First swing : Right to left, 12 rays
Second swing: Left to right, 21 rays

the hit rays will be swinging at larger portions of the infected's hitbox. Which means it will hit a lot more infected in 1 swing since it will be a wider hit rate in front of you.

With axe you can hit target in a 180 degree angle hitting multiple targets around you.

You can read more information here
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=412007318

Originally posted by R3N:

Originally posted by Старый копейщик:

Realism is the best mode in the game, the only disadvantage is the reduced kill rate of sniper rifles against ordinary zombies, the witch is killed by tonfa in 4 seconds without any doors, the horde is destroyed by tonfa without damage, if you aim well and feel their timing, tonfa is the best weapon in the game, realism is the best mode in the game!

Machete and axe are the best melee in the game.
Problem with tonfa is that is a blunt weapon that can't cut smoker tongue and has one of the lowest hit rays in the game.

Tonfa:
First swing : Upper-right to lower-left, 8 rays
Second swing: Left to right, 20 rays

Axe:
First swing : Right to left, 20-24 rays
Second swing: Left to right, 20-24 rays

Machete:
First swing : Right to left, 12 rays
Second swing: Left to right, 21 rays

the hit rays will be swinging at larger portions of the infected's hitbox. Which means it will hit a lot more infected in 1 swing since it will be a wider hit rate in front of you.

With axe you can hit target in a 180 degree angle hitting multiple targets around you.

You can read more information here
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=412007318

The axe is disgustingly slow, it's only good for killing a few zombies in the corner, the machete is really better than the tonfa, but the knife is the best.