What are you even talking about?

No one actually does the event, it's the same at Haz 5 as it is at Haz 1; people just ride on ziplines and cheese it. I play with nothing but randoms and I have to beg and plead to get anyone to actually play the event without cheese; on any difficulty.

Also, did you read the actual changes? They were miniscule at best, -10% speed (which means they are still faster than the Dwarves) and their goo puddles don't fly forward at you; the event is basically the same as it ever was.

why did you spend over %50 of this thread ostensibly about the corestone complaining about people complaining about stingtails

The event did need a nerf. As Chibbity said, after the first few weeks for S5 absolutely no one wanted to do the event legitimately. I even started to see some players begging the host to just skip the event if there wasn't a gunner.

it was way harder than all other event, so they should be harder or this one needed to be tuned down

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A few weeks ago I had a Haz 5 team that tried to do the Core Stone event. We thought we were ready, but the Driller's brain had disconnected and he didn't feel like digging the Core Stone back out after the first phase. The next three minutes was the Driller blowing fumes at Corestone Crawlers while everyone else was scrambling to open the Core Stone in between downs and revives. Mission failed.

I am unsure; what is this "reality of actual team play at higher difficulty" you speak of?

Core stone event is stupid, simple as. The best "fix" is to remove it or completely rework it.

Yah this game was never meant to be a Soulsborne difficult game. Haz 5 and above exist just to give people an extra challenge. So imo that same crowd shouldn't be catered to either as this game is meant more for casual to middle ground of the gaming crowd. It's by no means a game when you get white knuckled and gotta learn every pattern and combo.

This game doesn't really have any mainstream playerbase. It's got a constant influx of new players and a lot of veterans of the game that decide they don't care to do anything other than shoot ♥♥♥♥...So really your thought of "reality of actual team play" is pretty hilarious.

Originally posted by Scary:

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*Angry clicking noises*

Originally posted by Phytophyte:

A few weeks ago I had a Haz 5 team that tried to do the Core Stone event. We thought we were ready, but the Driller's brain had disconnected and he didn't feel like digging the Core Stone back out after the first phase. The next three minutes was the Driller blowing fumes at Corestone Crawlers while everyone else was scrambling to open the Core Stone in between downs and revives. Mission failed.

I am unsure; what is this "reality of actual team play at higher difficulty" you speak of?

Having a non-cooperative player is what you hinge your apologism on? Yeesh.

Back in reality - the thing you asked about - I've failed something south of 5% of Core Spawn events. Probably closer to 2-3%.

A reminder for the solos and the low haz players wasting our time up in this place: this was about team scaling at haz 5, not your imagined slights.

Originally posted by Phytophyte:

A few weeks ago I had a Haz 5 team that tried to do the Core Stone event. We thought we were ready, but the Driller's brain had disconnected and he didn't feel like digging the Core Stone back out after the first phase. The next three minutes was the Driller blowing fumes at Corestone Crawlers while everyone else was scrambling to open the Core Stone in between downs and revives. Mission failed.

I am unsure; what is this "reality of actual team play at higher difficulty" you speak of?

I agree, there is a distinct lack of teamplay in this team play game is pretty noticeable. Yes there are players that understand this, but I usually feels more like 4 solos playing on the same map a lot of the time.

Originally posted by Vibe:

Originally posted by Phytophyte:

A few weeks ago I had a Haz 5 team that tried to do the Core Stone event. We thought we were ready, but the Driller's brain had disconnected and he didn't feel like digging the Core Stone back out after the first phase. The next three minutes was the Driller blowing fumes at Corestone Crawlers while everyone else was scrambling to open the Core Stone in between downs and revives. Mission failed.

I am unsure; what is this "reality of actual team play at higher difficulty" you speak of?

I agree, there is a distinct lack of teamplay in this team play game is pretty noticeable. Yes there are players that understand this, but I usually feels more like 4 solos playing on the same map a lot of the time.

The games I've had that have felt like this border on a rounding error out of 1100~ hours.

The games where 2 players go their own way happens probably 1/5 of times, although I'll ignore Drillevator for this example. In the times where it happens, it never lasts long, as the group that went without the driller tends to be the one that buckles first and rejoins the others. When this doesn't happen, someone tends to speak up, usually the host, and things converge. It's incredibly rare that team splits are at all disruptive because they don't last long.

The games where 1 player wanders off are rarer still, probably 1/15~, but usually end up with someone pointing out they're being left behind or the player is punished by the game organically simply through force, as the game at Haz 5 with 4 players is based on teamplay, not.. whatever your assessment of it was supposed to be.

A lack of teamplay is not something that happens at Haz 5 with any regularity.

People's experiences in group play can still vary depending on the world region.

What may be common in North American lobbies might be different in Western Europe, for example.

Kind of off-topic, but felt like mentioning.

I personally notice this in Team Fortress 2, where pub matches often feel more laid back in the NA region compared to Europe.

Originally posted by Whirblewind:

Originally posted by Vibe:

I agree, there is a distinct lack of teamplay in this team play game is pretty noticeable. Yes there are players that understand this, but I usually feels more like 4 solos playing on the same map a lot of the time.

The games I've had that have felt like this border on a rounding error out of 1100~ hours.

The games where 2 players go their own way happens probably 1/5 of times, although I'll ignore Drillevator for this example. In the times where it happens, it never lasts long, as the group that went without the driller tends to be the one that buckles first and rejoins the others. When this doesn't happen, someone tends to speak up, usually the host, and things converge. It's incredibly rare that team splits are at all disruptive because they don't last long.

The games where 1 player wanders off are rarer still, probably 1/15~, but usually end up with someone pointing out they're being left behind or the player is punished by the game organically simply through force, as the game at Haz 5 with 4 players is based on teamplay, not.. whatever your assessment of it was supposed to be.

A lack of teamplay is not something that happens at Haz 5 with any regularity.

Like the post above me mentioned, this may be a regional thing because this isn't really my experience with Haz 5 matches. I very frequently see players going off on their own and nobody says anything - even in Low O2 missions, which is the last type of mission people should be splitting up in.

The game & its mechanics are very well designed around team-play, but I usually only feel the team-play part outside of combat when players are using their tools to setup arenas or help each other navigate terrain. During combat though, the strategy is usually just "everyone deal with what's in-front of them" and that's about it.

I personally try sticking with the group and setting up team-play actions whenever I can during combat, but I only get a follow-through maybe less than half the time. Some examples are:

- Using a Combustive Goo Mix Sludge Pump to coat the ground around a group of enemies so that our Engi who has a Shard Diffractor can ignite it to blow them all up (Engi maybe doesn't notice or hasn't realized they could be doing so).

- Someone triggers a swarmer tunnel accidentally while we had our focus elsewhere, so I ping the Driller and the swarmer tunnel in the hopes that they - having the best AoE weapons for the job - could easily take care of it (Driller usually doesn't notice and everyone now has swarmers biting at their ankles).

- A simple one: I mark a tanky target as Scout and with the M1K Marked for Death OC and even ping it manually again so everyone can hear the voiceline saying "Shoot it!" (Often seems that nobody notices and I end up killing the target myself anyway).

- Very, very rarely ever seeing other Drillers with flamethrowers on Industrial Sabotage prioritizing the Caretaker's arms & patrol pots to overheat & kill them quickly so that the rest of the team can focus on the Caretaker itself.

- On Egg Hunt missions, one or two players are always apparently speedrunning and just pop a bunch of eggs left & right without bothering to care if anyone else is prepared, starting multiple swarms at once.

And back to the topic of the Core Stone event: I never see anyone do this event normally with actual team-play strategies on haz 5 either. It's either Gunner zipline cheese or nothing.

the devs keep nerfing ♥♥♥♥ without acknowledging why said ♥♥♥♥ needed a nerf