The Aedra seem to think so.

Well the Dragonborn would be the true heir to the Septim dynasty and capable of relighting the Dragonfires in capital Cyrodiil if it would come a couple of years down the Empire line of canon

It's slight dissonance with the story trying to give an option for lighter roleplay, while putting you into the boots of the most important person you could even be.

Skyrim deserves mc? I would say that mc deserves to have options outside the box - and thats it. Currently theres one ending and many, many paths are not available. Like with Delphine. She was saying something like "youll come back to us!" somewhere between making threats. Seems like devs were speaking through her. Its a giant rock that keeps me away from this game. No mod was able to rewrite main questline completely, to open all sensible routes. Too much work, too gargantuan. It was easier to make completely different games on that engine 😅

I was JUST going to say, hey, maybe Ruminate is pjedilord in his more aggressive "militant" alt account, as we haven't seen his random drivel in a few days... but thought the better of it, one, because that thread should die out, so why post in it, and two, dare speak of the Devil and he doth appear certainly holds true for many things...

sonofa... but I didn't post it! I just thought of posting it. p can hear my thoughts!

and we're probably stuck with him until he dies IRL. just saying. oh well at least he's sometimes entertaining, unlike Rumi, who's just flamebaiting. (still not sure it's not p's alt...)

Play Morrowind

Dragonborn is the hero Skyrim needs, not the hero Skyrim deserves

but that is generally the way with heroes

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Well the Dragonborn would be the true heir to the Septim dynasty and capable of relighting the Dragonfires in capital Cyrodiil if it would come a couple of years down the Empire line of canon

It's slight dissonance with the story trying to give an option for lighter roleplay, while putting you into the boots of the most important person you could even be.

Just because the MC is Dragonborn does not give them any legitimacy to the Throne. Minotaurs have more right to the Throne than the Dragonborn, they are actual blood descendants of Alessia.

Without the Amulet of Kings, there is no way to tell if somebody is worthy of the Throne, and no way to light the Dragonfires either. I also think there is a difference in the type of "Dragonborn" the Emperors of Cyrodill were. Their blood held the power, and it was hereditary, being past down. With the MC being the LAST Dragonborn, it seem to be pretty positive that any potential kids will not have this ability,

I think the dragonborn is kind when they are helping people but the dragonborn can also be a evil dragonborn like choices in the game like choosing to join dark brotherhood or destroy dark brotherhood or to be mehrunes dagons champion or molag bal champion and I think that after the game events the dragonborn might have stopped doing things or disappeared entirely this didn't really happen to hero of kvatch oblvions protangist he bacame sheogortahth but morrowind protangist neravine they we know some things like went to akavir but not much else from that but some poeple think that morrowind protangist is still around in 4 E 201 over 200 years later after morrowind and I think daggerfall and arena protangist maybe they disappeared because I don't really know or heard what happened to them after the adventures but the reaosn why I think it will be like that for dragonborn is because I know it is usally like this in fallout like in fallout 3 lone wanderer disappeared the reason why this it is like this is I think because the player stopped playing so the game and the player choose what dragonborn will do and the player can't tell the game what the dragonborn does next and they can't be meet in another game becaues it is up to the player to decide the appearance of dragonborn except for the hero of kvatch appeared in skyrim because he became sheogortaht but I think they will never say what his appearance was like as hero of kvatch in 4 E 433.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Morgan Fun Gamer:

I think the dragonborn is kind when they are helping people but the dragonborn can also be a evil dragonborn like choices in the game like choosing to join dark brotherhood or destroy dark brotherhood or to be mehrunes dagons champion or molag bal champion and I think that after the game events the dragonborn might have stopped doing things or disappeared entirely this didn't really happen to hero of kvatch oblvions protangist he bacame sheogortahth but morrowind protangist neravine they we know some things like went to akavir but not much else from that but some poeple think that morrowind protangist is still around in 4 E 201 over 200 years later after morrowind and I think daggerfall and arena protangist maybe they disappeared because I don't really know or heard what happened to them after the adventures but the reaosn why I think it will be like that for dragonborn is because I know it is usally like this in fallout like in fallout 3 lone wanderer disappeared the reason why this it is like this is I think because the player stopped playing so the game and the player choose what dragonborn will do and the player can't tell the game what the dragonborn does next and they can't be meet in another game becaues it is up to the player to decide the appearance of dragonborn except for the hero of kvatch appeared in skyrim because he became sheogortaht but I think they will never say what his appearance was like as hero of kvatch in 4 E 433.:cozyskyrimvr:

The only "canon" timeline will be of dragonborn completing the main story. For better or for worse TES established pretty early that some events could happen, and not happen at the same time. So dragonborn becoming an archmage of College of Winterhold, or leader of the brotherhood is neither here nor there. Did it happen? Maybe.

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Morgan Fun Gamer:

I think the dragonborn is kind when they are helping people but the dragonborn can also be a evil dragonborn like choices in the game like choosing to join dark brotherhood or destroy dark brotherhood or to be mehrunes dagons champion or molag bal champion and I think that after the game events the dragonborn might have stopped doing things or disappeared entirely this didn't really happen to hero of kvatch oblvions protangist he bacame sheogortahth but morrowind protangist neravine they we know some things like went to akavir but not much else from that but some poeple think that morrowind protangist is still around in 4 E 201 over 200 years later after morrowind and I think daggerfall and arena protangist maybe they disappeared because I don't really know or heard what happened to them after the adventures but the reaosn why I think it will be like that for dragonborn is because I know it is usally like this in fallout like in fallout 3 lone wanderer disappeared the reason why this it is like this is I think because the player stopped playing so the game and the player choose what dragonborn will do and the player can't tell the game what the dragonborn does next and they can't be meet in another game becaues it is up to the player to decide the appearance of dragonborn except for the hero of kvatch appeared in skyrim because he became sheogortaht but I think they will never say what his appearance was like as hero of kvatch in 4 E 433.

The only "canon" timeline will be of dragonborn completing the main story. For better or for worse TES established pretty early that some events could happen, and not happen at the same time. So dragonborn becoming an archmage of College of Winterhold, or leader of the brotherhood is neither here nor there. Did it happen? Maybe.

I never really understand if side quests and guild quests are were completed by the dragonborn but I know that the dlcs and main quest were this also made me wonder about the daedric quest and how each protangist lost the daedric weapon and ended up in the hands of the next protangist and lost the title of champion of the daedric lord or maybe they can be multiple but in I get confused because in oblviion hero of kvatch when you meet him in skyrim as the sheogrotha he alludes to him completing the guild quests and also the sheogorath daedric quest in oblivion and I wonder how the dark brotherhood will be like in the elder scrolls 6 because if the dragonbron did destroy or complete them I think they might not be in the game due to the skyrim falkreath hideout their last hideout in all nirn and tamriel and the player can choose to destroy them or help them if the player destroys them this explains why they woudl not be in the future games if they are not in the future games but if the dragonborn helps them they continue to exist but are never encountered in the games but just exist in the background and thanks for telling me this. and also how in daggerfall the ending of the game all endings happened so every players choice was respected like with daggerfall orc ending orcs are now playable in morrowind and all future games.

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Knavenformed:

Well the Dragonborn would be the true heir to the Septim dynasty and capable of relighting the Dragonfires in capital Cyrodiil if it would come a couple of years down the Empire line of canon

It's slight dissonance with the story trying to give an option for lighter roleplay, while putting you into the boots of the most important person you could even be.

Just because the MC is Dragonborn does not give them any legitimacy to the Throne. Minotaurs have more right to the Throne than the Dragonborn, they are actual blood descendants of Alessia.

Without the Amulet of Kings, there is no way to tell if somebody is worthy of the Throne, and no way to light the Dragonfires either. I also think there is a difference in the type of "Dragonborn" the Emperors of Cyrodill were. Their blood held the power, and it was hereditary, being past down. With the MC being the LAST Dragonborn, it seem to be pretty positive that any potential kids will not have this ability,

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Morgan Fun Gamer:

I think the dragonborn is kind when they are helping people but the dragonborn can also be a evil dragonborn like choices in the game like choosing to join dark brotherhood or destroy dark brotherhood or to be mehrunes dagons champion or molag bal champion and I think that after the game events the dragonborn might have stopped doing things or disappeared entirely this didn't really happen to hero of kvatch oblvions protangist he bacame sheogortahth but morrowind protangist neravine they we know some things like went to akavir but not much else from that but some poeple think that morrowind protangist is still around in 4 E 201 over 200 years later after morrowind and I think daggerfall and arena protangist maybe they disappeared because I don't really know or heard what happened to them after the adventures but the reaosn why I think it will be like that for dragonborn is because I know it is usally like this in fallout like in fallout 3 lone wanderer disappeared the reason why this it is like this is I think because the player stopped playing so the game and the player choose what dragonborn will do and the player can't tell the game what the dragonborn does next and they can't be meet in another game becaues it is up to the player to decide the appearance of dragonborn except for the hero of kvatch appeared in skyrim because he became sheogortaht but I think they will never say what his appearance was like as hero of kvatch in 4 E 433.:cozyskyrimvr:

Should DB quit Skyrim or stay ? So every 90 years new Dragon Born comes?

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The only difference between Dragonborn and Alduin is that the Dragonborn does manage to have a personal life of their own outside of their fated purpose via hobbies, friends, side quests and whatnot, whereas Alduin seems to be completely controlled by his destiny but with a massive delusion of control.

So the question is whether or not Skyrim deserves Dragonborn. The question is whether Dragonborn and Alduin deserve this kind of scripted existence.

Alduin isn't controlled by his fate or purpose, that's the problem. Alduin has no interest in ending the world, he wants to rule it. He was supposed to end the world thousands of years ago, but he wanted to be a king instead. Akatosh created the Dragonborn, not to save the world, but defeat his son.

As we see in the ending, you do not absorb Alduin's Soul. I assume that means it returns to Akatosh instead. He will likely create another World-Eater in the future, one that will do their job correctly.

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από sekai:

The only difference between Dragonborn and Alduin is that the Dragonborn does manage to have a personal life of their own outside of their fated purpose via hobbies, friends, side quests and whatnot, whereas Alduin seems to be completely controlled by his destiny but with a massive delusion of control.

So the question is whether or not Skyrim deserves Dragonborn. The question is whether Dragonborn and Alduin deserve this kind of scripted existence.

Alduin isn't controlled by his fate or purpose, that's the problem. Alduin has no interest in ending the world, he wants to rule it. He was supposed to end the world thousands of years ago, but he wanted to be a king instead. Akatosh created the Dragonborn, not to save the world, but defeat his son.

As we see in the ending, you do not absorb Alduin's Soul. I assume that means it returns to Akatosh instead. He will likely create another World-Eater in the future, one that will do their job correctly.

I can see that's 1 way to look at it.

But I think Alduin is and will always be the World Eater. He engulfs the world in hysteria, violence, war, and destruction. Then consumes the souls to empower himself further to do more of that. I don't interpret that his destiny was to quite literally eat up the whole world but instead to consume the world in chaos until it eventually destroys itself.

The existence of Dragonborn is a deliberate counter-force to Alduin by design, 2 halves of the same great script that requires the other to exist and fulfil their purpose. Alduin is meant to slowly rot and destroy the world, and Dragonborn will continuously turn up to stop him until one day they simply couldn't and the world dwindles to its twilight.

But just as how Alduin can never be killed and will always return at some point (I don't believe he returned to Akatosh after his supposed death, I think he just got banished again this time by simply destroying his physical body, but his soul would reform a new body some time in the future), even if the Dragonborn were to be defeated at the hour of twilight, the world wouldn't necessarily end completely. It will began its slow match to death with another reign of dragons, but the world won't ever truly end. As at some point, a new sufficiently strong Dragonborn will come and lead an army to banish Alduin.

It's a deliberate cycle where neither the Alduin and the Dragonborn really have control or agency over. Only Akatosh knows how many cycles have been repeated. They are both tides in the cosmic ocean. The only difference is that each and every single Dragonborn understood their assignment as outside their actual control and did it spite of not being something they consciously choose, but Alduin falsely believed himself to be the one in control. The irony is that the Dragonborns always end up living much more fulfilling existence with their relationships and accomplishments whereas Alduin can't even be said to have an actual life despite their millennium old existence due to their extreme tunnel vision and ego.

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The mistakes Skyrim, the game, made was making Alduin too much of a dragon, in a game that already leaned too heavily on making dragons mere flying lizards with only a couple throwaway lines pointing to their overall transcendent nature, and severely downplays his mythological and almost abstract existence. His threat level should've been a lot more subtle and wider ranging than simply flying around destroying towns and raising dragons from the dead. Maybe have him be a manifestation that only appears at the climax of the civil war or something and give him certain qualities that don't make sense even in the world of Skyrim like being in multiple places at the same time, being perceived differently or even not visible at all to different people looking at him at the same time, have events that showed him reality-warping by simply speaking, or story events and quests that appear to have been influenced by the presence of Alduin or maybe just political unrest but you can't say for certain (conflicts become more and more prevalent, doomsday cult start popping up and gaining traction, etc) and whatnot I don't know.

Make Alduin's presence more abstract and subtle, his personality doesn't even need to change nor does any of that even need to be something he does consciously. But present him with clear otherworldly qualities even by the standards of Elder Scrolls and have him be an evil, cocky plague of some sort, both physically and in the mind, in the land and in the people, would've likely better complemented the narrative weight of what Alduin is supposed to be and why even the almost god-like Dragonborns struggle against him (full powered Fus-Roh-Dah by a Dragonborn is supposed to shatter mountains in the lore, after all).

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Rez Elwin:

Just because the MC is Dragonborn does not give them any legitimacy to the Throne. Minotaurs have more right to the Throne than the Dragonborn, they are actual blood descendants of Alessia.

Without the Amulet of Kings, there is no way to tell if somebody is worthy of the Throne, and no way to light the Dragonfires either. I also think there is a difference in the type of "Dragonborn" the Emperors of Cyrodill were. Their blood held the power, and it was hereditary, being past down. With the MC being the LAST Dragonborn, it seem to be pretty positive that any potential kids will not have this ability,

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Morgan Fun Gamer:

I think the dragonborn is kind when they are helping people but the dragonborn can also be a evil dragonborn like choices in the game like choosing to join dark brotherhood or destroy dark brotherhood or to be mehrunes dagons champion or molag bal champion and I think that after the game events the dragonborn might have stopped doing things or disappeared entirely this didn't really happen to hero of kvatch oblvions protangist he bacame sheogortahth but morrowind protangist neravine they we know some things like went to akavir but not much else from that but some poeple think that morrowind protangist is still around in 4 E 201 over 200 years later after morrowind and I think daggerfall and arena protangist maybe they disappeared because I don't really know or heard what happened to them after the adventures but the reaosn why I think it will be like that for dragonborn is because I know it is usally like this in fallout like in fallout 3 lone wanderer disappeared the reason why this it is like this is I think because the player stopped playing so the game and the player choose what dragonborn will do and the player can't tell the game what the dragonborn does next and they can't be meet in another game becaues it is up to the player to decide the appearance of dragonborn except for the hero of kvatch appeared in skyrim because he became sheogortaht but I think they will never say what his appearance was like as hero of kvatch in 4 E 433.

Should DB quit Skyrim or stay ? So every 90 years new Dragon Born comes?

The Dragonborn in skyrim 4E 201 is the first Dragonborn in Tamriel since Oblivion ending 200 years before and I think there was no Dragonborns in between the 200 years between oblivion and skyrim and I think that the current emperor of tamriel after martin is not a Dragonborn anymore and the Dragonborn in skyrim name is The Last Dragonborn so I think this means that there will never be a another Dragonborn again after the events of skyrim but or this title could be refering to that the The Last Dragonborn is just the latest Dragonborn and not the last of all time.