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Bubafrik

9 hours ago

Spy is a good class, but people made him a bad one.

Spy is a good and unique design. You have invisibility, disguise kit and a knife with a mechanic that rewards stealth. And if you play him for more than an hour or so, it will be a really good and also refreshing experience.
HOW-EVER!
Most spy players use the combo of Kunai + Dead Ringer, and their gameplay is not stealth. It is not even just playing agressively. No. Their whole gameplay is A+D+W1. That's it - the whole class' design is getting thrown in a garbage bin because of Dead Ringer and Kunai, that allow players to disable their brain and press 3 buttons. This is what annoys me the most about Spy mains.

I know, i know, trickstabs ARE useful and ARE a good thing to learn. But if your whole gameplay is JUST trickstabs, how do you even have fun? How do you even play Spy like this?

I just despice the existance of Dead Ringer and everyone who uses it. Fight me, Spy mains.

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Originally posted by fede p:

Spy is weak by design, because he's supossed to be stealthy... that is something even main Spies don't seem to get lol. As you said, using the Kunai + Deadringer combo and going for trickstabs like a spastic little goblin is nothing more but a bastardization of the Spy class.

The class can also be a lot of fun if played correctly, it's a shame that almost no one knows how to play him and instead they prefer to jump around the map like cocaine addict clowns just to get killed by anyone competent, or/and they would run straight at a Sentry gun like a heat seeking missile, do nothing and die.

Some people would even say that Sniper is better than Spy, and as a player that used to main Spy and now also mains Snipers, I can assure you that while it is safer to get kills as a Sniper, a Spy can do something unique; getting behind the enemy team and choosing his target. Sniper punishes mistakes and Spy is all about timing and opportunities. While technically Sniper is higher in the tierlist, Spy can still do his own things, which is pretty neat.

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sam

9 hours ago

I use the kunai + DR, trickstabs are usually a last resort. Still allows plenty of stealth, although occasionally i do see the braindead ‘obvious bhopping spy’ which are usually more annoying than dangerous.

Bubafrik

9 hours ago

Originally posted by sam:
I use the kunai + DR, trickstabs are usually a last resort. Still allows plenty of stealth, although occasionally i do see the braindead ‘obvious bhopping spy’ which are usually more annoying than dangerous.

Yes, that's what i'm saying. If i see a spy that does that - i switch to Natascha and taunt them every time till they leave the server. Also it's much fun to listen to their breakdowns in the chat.

Also, Dead Ringer just isn't a thing for stealth imo. To get to the enemy backlines, you need to firstly feign your death, so most of the opponents will know that you are here (also add a loud noice it makes)

sam

9 hours ago

Originally posted by Bubafrik:
Originally posted by sam:
I use the kunai + DR, trickstabs are usually a last resort. Still allows plenty of stealth, although occasionally i do see the braindead ‘obvious bhopping spy’ which are usually more annoying than dangerous.
Yes, that's what i'm saying. If i see a spy that does that - i switch to Natascha and taunt them every time till they leave the server. Also it's much fun to listen to their breakdowns in the chat.

Also, Dead Ringer just isn't a thing for stealth imo. To get to the enemy backlines, you need to firstly feign your death, so most of the opponents will know that you are here (also add a loud noice it makes)

If anything, it makes the stealth part more interesting. You cant just decloak anywhere, friendly disguises are useful for faking your death (usually doesn’t draw suspicion), and you can easily run out of cloak in a bad situation.

Mina

8 hours ago

he can only pick classes and doesnt offer a lot which makes him as the weakest class

poliakov.noam has Team Fortress 2

8 hours ago

you heard of w+m1 pyro, but what about A+D+M1 spy?

poliakov.noam has Team Fortress 2

8 hours ago

Originally posted by Mina:
he can only pick classes and doesnt offer a lot which makes him as the weakest class

that would make him the least versatile class. which he isnt, that title belongs to sniper, who is the ultimate picking specialist, sniper is the class that can only get picks, but hes really good at it.

spy can get behind the enemy team safely from anywhere, something no other class can do, and he can get kills near sentries and stun them for his team, he can do much more, hes still the weakest class tho, but not because of his role in the team, but because of the way his gameplay works for him, his team, and the enemy team.

Bubafrik

8 hours ago

Originally posted by Mina:
he can only pick classes and doesnt offer a lot which makes him as the weakest class

But he is much more fun than Sniper that does the same.

poliakov.noam has Team Fortress 2

8 hours ago

Originally posted by Bubafrik:
Originally posted by Mina:
he can only pick classes and doesnt offer a lot which makes him as the weakest class
But he is much more fun than Sniper that does the same.

sniper is still fun imo, every class is fun, tf2 is fun, i like it :D

Mina

8 hours ago

Originally posted by poliakov.noam:
Originally posted by Mina:
he can only pick classes and doesnt offer a lot which makes him as the weakest class
that would make him the least versatile class. which he isnt, that title belongs to sniper, who is the ultimate picking specialist, sniper is the class that can only get picks, but hes really good at it.

spy can get behind the enemy team safely from anywhere, something no other class can do, and he can get kills near sentries and stun them for his team, he can do much more, hes still the weakest class tho, but not because of his role in the team, but because of the way his gameplay works for him, his team, and the enemy team.

Not safely especially if a team is aware and other classes with mobility can get behind including demo who can kill near sentries and do more than stun or any class that it is out of sight and range of a sentry

poliakov.noam has Team Fortress 2

8 hours ago

Originally posted by Mina:
Originally posted by poliakov.noam:
that would make him the least versatile class. which he isnt, that title belongs to sniper, who is the ultimate picking specialist, sniper is the class that can only get picks, but hes really good at it.

spy can get behind the enemy team safely from anywhere, something no other class can do, and he can get kills near sentries and stun them for his team, he can do much more, hes still the weakest class tho, but not because of his role in the team, but because of the way his gameplay works for him, his team, and the enemy team.
Not safely especially if a team is aware and other classes with mobility can get behind including demo who can kill near sentries and do more than stun or any class that it is out of sight and range of a sentry

i meant spy can stun the sentry, he can outright kill every class, sorry if i made that unclear

Last edited by poliakov.noam; 8 hours ago

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fede p

8 hours ago

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Fireschlong #2Broke4MannUp has Team Fortress 2

7 hours ago

The problem is that without DR, Spy is inherently opportunistic. He has to play reactively rather than proactively. I do prefer the more methodical playstyle of stock Spy over the aggressive playstyle that DR encourages though.

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