You mean your 0.50 EUR or even less? To be honest why do people want to get it back even, its not a great game and most people didnt even play it. Why do you care if you miss one mediocre game from hundreds of other mediocre games that you have got from bundles and dont even play?

Originally posted by Dzeeraajs:

You mean your 0.50 EUR or even less? To be honest why do people want to get it back even, its not a great game and most people didnt even play it. Why do you care if you miss one mediocre game from hundreds of other mediocre games that you have got from bundles and dont even play?

Because people still paid money for something and expect to have access to what they paid for.

Originally posted by Dzeeraajs:

You mean your 0.50 EUR or even less? To be honest why do people want to get it back even, its not a great game and most people didnt even play it. Why do you care if you miss one mediocre game from hundreds of other mediocre games that you have got from bundles and dont even play?

It's not about the money. It's the principle. This damages companies reputation like fanatical who took years to build up trust. It damages steam as this could possibly be used as a loophole for scamming. So it's much bigger than 50p or a mediocre game. Also I am old steam user. Before it had a shop. Back then valve said that it would release all the games we owned if anything was to happen to the company. This is about years of trust. And if this dev things he can step on what people took years to build... he's dead wrong.

You would recover what from it? A few cents?
You purchased in a bundle where what you spend was split among various people.

Originally posted by ⎝⧹Louna⧸⎠:

You would recover what from it? A few cents?
You purchased in a bundle where what you spend was split among various people.

Again it's not about the money it' about telling the dev he can't do this stuff. What part of that don't you not understand?

Originally posted by Jamie:

Originally posted by ⎝⧹Louna⧸⎠:

You would recover what from it? A few cents?
You purchased in a bundle where what you spend was split among various people.

Again it's not about the money it' about telling the dev he can't do this stuff. What part of that don't you not understand?

You said it was to access game you paid for, not for the principle.
Were you even playing the game before the removal happened?

Originally posted by Brakzias:

Originally posted by Dzeeraajs:

You mean your 0.50 EUR or even less? To be honest why do people want to get it back even, its not a great game and most people didnt even play it. Why do you care if you miss one mediocre game from hundreds of other mediocre games that you have got from bundles and dont even play?

Because people still paid money for something and expect to have access to what they paid for.

Originally posted by ⎝⧹Louna⧸⎠:

Originally posted by Jamie:

Again it's not about the money it' about telling the dev he can't do this stuff. What part of that don't you not understand?

You said it was to access game you paid for, not for the principle.
Were you even playing the game before the removal happened?

Originally posted by Brakzias:

Because people still paid money for something and expect to have access to what they paid for.

No I didn't and your quote proved that I didn't say it. It was someone else that talked about money. And I do agree with them if you buy a game you should have access to it. I am talking about the bigger picture. Something you fail to understand. You just don't care. This dev is abusing steams platform. The price doesn't matter. What he is doing is wrong. And he should be banned and punished for it.

Maybe you have no idea how steam built their platform. But I do. I remember very well. As a long time fan. They built the platform on trust. Trust that the games you owned you would always own. It's core to steam identity. It's how they got people to buy digitally when they could own the games physically.

Originally posted by Jamie:

Maybe you have no idea how steam built their platform. But I do. I remember very well. As a long time fan. They built the platform on trust. Trust that the games you owned you would always own. It's core to steam identity. It's how they got people to buy digitally when they could own the games physically.

Your memory is short then. When Steam launched on Sept 12th, 2003...It had NO third party games. It was ten or so Valve games. Overfall is a third party game.

This has NOTHING to do with Valve OR Steam. Valve revoked the keys BECAUSE they were asked to do so. I repeat, the publisher/dev ASKED Valve to revoke the keys....so, Valve did.

Valve isn't going to just revoke keys willy nilly.

EDIT:
You don't own any games, either. You own a license to access and play them.

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Originally posted by Jamie:

Maybe you have no idea how steam built their platform. But I do. I remember very well. As a long time fan. They built the platform on trust. Trust that the games you owned you would always own. It's core to steam identity. It's how they got people to buy digitally when they could own the games physically.

Your memory is short then. When Steam launched on Sept 12th, 2003...It had NO third party games. It was ten or so Valve games. Overfall is a third party game.

This has NOTHING to do with Valve OR Steam. Valve revoked the keys BECAUSE they were asked to do so. I repeat, the publisher/dev ASKED Valve to revoke the keys....so, Valve did.

Valve isn't going to just revoke keys willy nilly.

EDIT:
You don't own any games, either. You own a license to access and play them.

Valve shouldn't mass revoke keys especially if the keys were issued years ago. Valve should have said that the users of the keys would be innocent and that the publisher or other party is to blame and that valve would be happy to help.

Originally posted by Despiseusername:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Your memory is short then. When Steam launched on Sept 12th, 2003...It had NO third party games. It was ten or so Valve games. Overfall is a third party game.

This has NOTHING to do with Valve OR Steam. Valve revoked the keys BECAUSE they were asked to do so. I repeat, the publisher/dev ASKED Valve to revoke the keys....so, Valve did.

Valve isn't going to just revoke keys willy nilly.

EDIT:
You don't own any games, either. You own a license to access and play them.

Valve shouldn't mass revoke keys especially if the keys were issued years ago. Valve should have said that the users of the keys would be innocent and that the publisher or other party is to blame and that valve would be happy to help.

How are you guys not getting this? The keys were generated FOR THE DEV/PUBLISHER. It's THEIR property. What's Valve supposed to do? Say no...and then get sued for not holding up their end of the agreement that was made when the the game was put on Steam? The devs/publisher would win and the keys still get revoked.

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Originally posted by Jamie:

Maybe you have no idea how steam built their platform. But I do. I remember very well. As a long time fan. They built the platform on trust. Trust that the games you owned you would always own. It's core to steam identity. It's how they got people to buy digitally when they could own the games physically.

Your memory is short then. When Steam launched on Sept 12th, 2003...It had NO third party games. It was ten or so Valve games. Overfall is a third party game.

This has NOTHING to do with Valve OR Steam. Valve revoked the keys BECAUSE they were asked to do so. I repeat, the publisher/dev ASKED Valve to revoke the keys....so, Valve did.

Valve isn't going to just revoke keys willy nilly.

EDIT:
You don't own any games, either. You own a license to access and play them.

My memory is not short and I clearly am talking about when valve launched the STEAM store which is why I say Steam not valve. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. And you are wrong you do OWN THE GAMES! You don't license them. That's why you can play them offline. You are the owner of the game. And Gabe even said that he would let people keep their games if anything happened to valve's company. If we didn't own the games then they wouldn't work in offline mode and would always need internet to work.

Originally posted by Jamie:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Your memory is short then. When Steam launched on Sept 12th, 2003...It had NO third party games. It was ten or so Valve games. Overfall is a third party game.

This has NOTHING to do with Valve OR Steam. Valve revoked the keys BECAUSE they were asked to do so. I repeat, the publisher/dev ASKED Valve to revoke the keys....so, Valve did.

Valve isn't going to just revoke keys willy nilly.

EDIT:
You don't own any games, either. You own a license to access and play them.

My memory is not short and I clearly am talking about when valve launched the STEAM store which is why I say Steam not valve. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. And you are wrong you do OWN THE GAMES! You don't license them. That's why you can play them offline. You are the owner of the game. And Gabe even said that he would let people keep their games if anything happened to valve's company. If we didn't own the games then they wouldn't work in offline mode and would always need internet to work.

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Originally posted by Jamie:

And you are wrong you do OWN THE GAMES! You don't license them. That's why you can play them offline. You are the owner of the game.

Unfortunately he is is right, we don't actually own the games anymore, the whole thing is a sham... If we did own the games, then we could resell the games, or at least the whole account, but we cannot.

The fact that you can play offline has nothing to do with ownership.

Originally posted by gee:

Unfortunately he is is right, we don't actually own the games anymore, the whole thing is a sham... If we did own the games, then we could resell the games, or at least the whole account, but we cannot.

The fact that you can play offline has nothing to do with ownership.

You've never owned the games, merely licenced them. It's just easier to enforce the terms of the licencing agreement on a online platform. You've only ever owned the physical media that the content/games came on.