Steam can't punish anyone. It's a program. Ask for Valve punishing them. That's yet to be seen although I doubt it.

Gabe Newell isn't going to do anything. He is just a figurehead now.

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Steam can't punish anyone. It's a program. Ask for Valve punishing them. That's yet to be seen although I doubt it.

A little petty, aren't we?
Considering Valve consists of more than just Steam, referring to them as Steam when talking about Steam seems more than appropriate.

Originally posted by Gawain112:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Steam can't punish anyone. It's a program. Ask for Valve punishing them. That's yet to be seen although I doubt it.

A little petty, aren't we?
Considering Valve consists of more than just Steam, referring to them as Steam when talking about Steam seems more than appropriate.

No, petty is what most of these threads are. We're getting replacement keys (at least Fanatical purchasers are)

Where is your guys' hatred for the scammers using the keys fraudulently, that started this mess?

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Originally posted by Gawain112:

A little petty, aren't we?
Considering Valve consists of more than just Steam, referring to them as Steam when talking about Steam seems more than appropriate.

No, petty is what most of these threads are. We're getting replacement keys (at least Fanatical purchasers are)

Where is your guys' hatred for the scammers using the keys fraudulently, that started the mess?

How do you even know even those keys not from Fanatical are fraudulent? The developers clearly seem to have no clue.

The keys were given to their legitimate publisher at the time to be sold, only they can tell what they did with them (and should explain so in court might i add).

The developers issue is and always have been with that publisher, and the place to settle it is in court or mediation, not how it was done.

For all we know, all keys may be legitimate as said publisher may have sold them to multiple entities.

Originally posted by A Mean Person:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

No, petty is what most of these threads are. We're getting replacement keys (at least Fanatical purchasers are)

Where is your guys' hatred for the scammers using the keys fraudulently, that started the mess?

How do you even know even those keys not from Fanatical are fraudulent? The developers clearly seem to have no clue.

The keys were given to their legitimate publisher at the time to be sold, only they can tell what they did with them (and should explain so in court might i add).

The developers issue is and always have been with that publisher, and the place to settle it is in court or mediation, not how it was done.

For all we know, all keys may be legitimate as said publisher may have sold them to multiple entities.

How?

By reading:

Fanatical was not among the "other fraud sites" that we mentioned before, we never blamed them - never will.

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/app/402310/discussions/0/3068614788761423239/

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

How?

By reading:

Fanatical was not among the "other fraud sites" that we mentioned before, we never blamed them - never will.

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/app/402310/discussions/0/3068614788761423239/

Yeah, but since they clearly had no clue about Fanatical's keys to start with (only fixed it later), how can they be sure the others were not sold either by that publisher? Or for that matter, that they were not Fanatical bundle keys (that were paid for) and then "spilled" somewere else to be resold.

Originally posted by VasoKolbaso:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

How?

By reading:




https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/app/402310/discussions/0/3068614788761423239/

many thanks dear captain obvious!
we all can read
sometimes even in english
please stop this obvious things

they made not right thing
if it will be OK for them we can got more in future
if some developer will have:
- troubles with publisher
- want some attention to his products
- bad mood

no
no
no

If it's so obvious to you, why are you upset?

I seriously doubt "Steam" is going to do anything. Valve won't do anything either, not when the devs are trying to fix it. To those that did buy stolen/scammed keys...that's on those users.

Originally posted by VasoKolbaso:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

I seriously doubt "Steam" is going to do anything. Valve won't do anything either, not when the devs are trying to fix it. To those that did buy stolen/scammed keys...that's on those users.

ok
if in future there will be more reworked "stolen/scammed" keys just rememebr about me and my idea

lol..I have thousands of games, been on Steam since it was launched. This is the FIRST time I've EVER had a key revoked. As for your idea, this thread will be locked and/or sink to the bottom.

If you wouldn't act so dense....you could tell that keys do not get revoked by devs that often. It's not a common thing

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Originally posted by VasoKolbaso:

ok
if in future there will be more reworked "stolen/scammed" keys just rememebr about me and my idea

lol..I have thousands of games, been on Steam since it was launched. This is the FIRST time I've EVER had a key revoked. As for your idea, this thread will be locked and/or sink to the bottom.

Steam developers are revoked my games like 8 times.
and they had similar problem.
mostly it's about contract with seller, and 0% my fault.

maybe you have not enough games.

Originally posted by KraQuen:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

lol..I have thousands of games, been on Steam since it was launched. This is the FIRST time I've EVER had a key revoked. As for your idea, this thread will be locked and/or sink to the bottom.

Steam developers are revoked my games like 8 times.
and they had similar problem.
mostly it's about contract with seller, and 0% my fault.

maybe you have not enough games.

8 times...and you have nearly 9,000 games? Do the math. That's still not common.

They must be punished by Steam ? no, i don't really think so. Yes they f*'up, no doubt about that but i think they have been punished already with the bad publicity that comes with an action like this, they didn't hide themselves so many people will be more reluctant to trust them with any games they makes from now on (if they didn't already put those games on their ignore list), for me that's enough punishment, not all publicity is good publicity especially for an small team of developer.

They are trying to resolve the issue with Steam and Fanatical themselves instead of making us do the work (i know that they tried to do that at first with the Google Form) or instead of telling us to f*'off like some another developer i've seen in the past (i can't seem to remember for which game it was, i had more than a dozen that got revocked now, but yeah that dev was telling users that got their key revoked that they had enough time to play the game already and if they wanted to play it again they could always buy the game again trough Steam).

For me it's Steam that is more at fault for letting such an action happens but it's their platform and we have to accept their rules if we want to use it but that doesn't stop me for thinking that things should change for the sakes of both the users and the owners of those games (maybe a time limit so keys can't be revoked after so much time have passed since activation so keys can't get revoked more than two freaking years after activation or letting to the devs a time-frame to cancel such an action if they f*'up instead of doing all the troubles of getting new keys again from Steam and finding a way to ship them again to the users) because in the end i think that action will probably cost them more than what that publisher, Flying Interactive, allegedly owes them.

Since they're dealing with Consumer Law, Valve has a joint liability (shared responsibility) for any software license being sold or rented on its virtual store in any country under a minimally developed Rule of Law*, but Valve won't do a single thing up until they're brought to a Court of Law and fined for their omissions/neglicences when it comes to control of revocation procedures.

In this specific case, though, most likely nothing major will come out of it since at least the devs are trying to fix the mess that they created (won't really fix it all since a lot of people don't have access to their old Fanatical account or won the game on giveaways etc).

The developers will get away with revoking thousands of keys and will only give back the ones specifically sold by Fanatical (fine by me on this point since I got mine from there), also with personal e-mail informations that they unlawfully obtained (failed promised of giving back the keys through the e-mail) and Valve will keep their "ostrich behavior" of burrying its head in the sand and pretending that nothing wrong is happening (up until what the forementioned happen).

Valve had the very same omissional behavior in several other cases (e.g.: EU illegal regional pricing) and only started working when the EU kicked them out of their inertia of their service failure.

* = it's null and void any part of ANY contract that you sign saying otherwise, since obviously contracts can't trump laws