Naval Action

Naval Action

TukanSam 18 Jun, 2019 @ 9:08pm
Am I bad at this game or is the AI OP?
I bought the game a few days ago and completed the basic tutorials. The first exam was tedious but I managed to complete it as well after multiple tries. After failing the second exam numerous times, I decided to follow a guide I found and try taking some combat missions at rank 7 and going from there.

Each mission ended in my complete destruction. I was sunk in the Basic Cutter and the AI enemy had about half armor remaining on a side. The damage I put out was so negligible I thought I wasn't hitting (according to the indicators at the top of the UI I was?). Am I just really bad at the game or is the AI OP?
Last edited by TukanSam; 18 Jun, 2019 @ 9:19pm
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Boatabike 18 Jun, 2019 @ 11:18pm 
The game takes skills you learn along the way, do not worry about the exams right now, exams are not really at the start of anything but after u have learned. Shout out in Port for some help someone will show u the ropes. PVP or PVE server?
TukanSam 18 Jun, 2019 @ 11:21pm 
Originally posted by Boatabike:
The game takes skills you learn along the way, do not worry about the exams right now, exams are not really at the start of anything but after u have learned. Shout out in Port for some help someone will show u the ropes. PVP or PVE server?

I'm starting in PvE until I get a better grasp of the game.
Boatabike 18 Jun, 2019 @ 11:23pm 
I just sent u a message in game
IrishGuard 19 Jun, 2019 @ 3:49am 
I tend to agree I played this game year or two ago and the AI wasn't this op but now they tend to turn there ship like a ferrari and always keep you on target firing constantly.
Green Death 19 Jun, 2019 @ 6:39am 
Basic Cutter is not much use against anything except other basic cutters... it is free though, so cane it while you get used to the combat.

Imo the very low level combat is probably a little over tuned for new players. It has always been an issue, but once you get the hang of things you won't think the AI is OP. They can be annoying as hell though at times.
TukanSam 19 Jun, 2019 @ 8:56am 
Originally posted by Boatabike:
I just sent u a message in game

Thanks, I'll check when I get on after work tonight.

Originally posted by Acid_Penguin:
Basic Cutter is not much use against anything except other basic cutters... it is free though, so cane it while you get used to the combat.

Imo the very low level combat is probably a little over tuned for new players. It has always been an issue, but once you get the hang of things you won't think the AI is OP. They can be annoying as hell though at times.

The rank 7 ships I fought against were both Basic Cutters or similar. I'm not quite sure if there's a way to tell what ship an opponent has but I assume they were Cutters.
Last edited by TukanSam; 19 Jun, 2019 @ 9:01am
gerald2 19 Jun, 2019 @ 11:07am 
Originally posted by Tukan Sam:
I bought the game a few days ago and completed the basic tutorials. The first exam was tedious but I managed to complete it as well after multiple tries. After failing the second exam numerous times, I decided to follow a guide I found and try taking some combat missions at rank 7 and going from there.

Each mission ended in my complete destruction. I was sunk in the Basic Cutter and the AI enemy had about half armor remaining on a side. The damage I put out was so negligible I thought I wasn't hitting (according to the indicators at the top of the UI I was?). Am I just really bad at the game or is the AI OP?
well maybe not in completely destruction in my case ,but still alot damage ,AI is still crazy buffed as it was their ships are bouncing most shots like they would all have yamato class armour ,accuracy for AI 90% our gunners miss 90% ,turning outa irons w/o maneuvring sails,i fought brig today,i was in identical brig my sail 100% his sail 72% same crew ,we sailed parralel ,i have full possible crew assigned to sails ,and he is keeping up with me easily ,its a joke ...ive got hit in the bow...and got rudder damaged rofl
Green Death 19 Jun, 2019 @ 12:54pm 
Originally posted by gerald2:
its a joke ...ive got hit in the bow...and got rudder damaged rofl
Shot can penetrate the bow and still hit and damage the rudder, especially in smaller craft. Same principal as raking the stern.
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Boatabike 19 Jun, 2019 @ 6:39pm 
You see the phrase thrown around a lot on steam forums in a mostly negative way, "Learn To Play" but it is truly a very apt saying for this game. Most of the complaints about i cannot do this how does that do that etc, are simple not having spent enough time in game, or never willing to learn. This is not your average point pull kill game, treat it with some intelligence and the game rewards you with great feeling of achieving something. Some people will never get it, others will struggle, but for those willing to tackle the learning aspect, great things await :) this is not meant in a negative way towards anyone just the opinion of a Sea trials days Admiral.
Last edited by Boatabike; 19 Jun, 2019 @ 6:40pm
GruneTeufel 20 Jun, 2019 @ 8:38am 
AI is ridiculous now. Way too accurate - was this way before and they moderated it. Will be tough for new players and may turn people away :(
IrishGuard 20 Jun, 2019 @ 10:42am 
Originally posted by GruneTeufel:
AI is ridiculous now. Way too accurate - was this way before and they moderated it. Will be tough for new players and may turn people away :(

+1 This is why I just do cargo missions and craft no point in combat the AI is just too crazy
gerald2 25 Jun, 2019 @ 5:54am 
Originally posted by Acid_Penguin:
Originally posted by gerald2:
its a joke ...ive got hit in the bow...and got rudder damaged rofl
Shot can penetrate the bow and still hit and damage the rudder, especially in smaller craft. Same principal as raking the stern.
really from ship sailing parralel to me ? thats interesting idea...i sailed brig ,i fought snow we sailed parralel,he shoot tracking shot from single gun wchich hit my bow and i got rudder damaged ,so nope it couldnt damage rudder until its fckin remote controlled maneuvring missile...or,its just crappy hitbox,or shot tracking development choose wchich you want.
Last edited by gerald2; 25 Jun, 2019 @ 6:03am
... 26 Jun, 2019 @ 6:28am 
The Ai don't follow the same rules as players , Ai can turn / stop / speed up / shoot faster than any player. But you can figure out how the AI works and just farm it. A bit it take awhile to learn this.
Green Death 26 Jun, 2019 @ 7:02am 
Originally posted by gerald2:
Originally posted by Acid_Penguin:
Shot can penetrate the bow and still hit and damage the rudder, especially in smaller craft. Same principal as raking the stern.
really from ship sailing parralel to me ? thats interesting idea...i sailed brig ,i fought snow we sailed parralel,he shoot tracking shot from single gun wchich hit my bow and i got rudder damaged ,so nope it couldnt damage rudder until its fckin remote controlled maneuvring missile...or,its just crappy hitbox,or shot tracking development choose wchich you want.
Small boat, shot penetrates, ricochets and hits the rudder.

Interesting idea? Whether you choose to accept that as an explanation or not, it's within the game mechanics and not impossible, though rather unlikely. It's the kind of outlier that you'll get rarely in a physics based system which models individual shots. It's also the kind of thing which happened irl if you read accounts of naval combat in that era.



Last edited by Green Death; 26 Jun, 2019 @ 9:01am
... 26 Jun, 2019 @ 6:11pm 
If a player had all the upgrades / books / perks His / Her ship could not do what this AI does lol ♥♥♥♥ is stupid

NO ship in the history of ships can move and do the things these AI ships do
It just feels dumb almost like the Dev's couldn't figure out how to balance something so they just said f it let's make this broken AI to keep the grind up vs doing something eles.

When the player count gets back down to couple 100 after they give a steam sale and huge influx of new people and wonder why everyone left , This here is one reason..... To F'ing grindy and broken ass AI
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