http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3PjBI_sLlE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVckqCLbHjY

Famous person, yes, crazy as hell, yes, crappy youth, yes, but hero?

Watch the videos. He was not crazy, think about what you would do to protect your people. Yes, he was a hero, if he didn't do what he did his people wouldn't be today.

In Romania he IS considered a National hero, despite your flippant remark. I guess they know something of their history.

Originally posted by unseen4ce:

Watch the videos. He was not crazy, think about what you would do to protect your people. Yes, he was a hero, if he didn't do what he did his people wouldn't be today.

In Romania he IS considered a National hero, despite your flippant remark. I guess they know something of their history.

Some video on the internetz, right. Vlad and his brother where moved on a very young age to Constantinopel as a 'peace' deal with the then ruling Sultan of the Ottomans. He had a very tough youth there and grew into a crazy man. I know my history as well, and I also know history has many interpertations.

Some troll in a steam forum ...wow, you still haven't watched the video. I think YOU are the CRAZY one; I don't know what your motive/agenda is ;).

It is a fact that he is seen as a National hero in Romania because they recognize what he did for his people.

From wikipedia (even they admit it)

Originally posted by wikipedia:

Vlad III is revered as a folk hero in Romania as well as other parts of Europe for his protection of the Romanian population both south and north of the Danube. A significant number of Romanian and Bulgarian common folk and remaining boyars (nobles) moved north of the Danube to Wallachia, recognized his leadership and settled there following his raids on the Ottomans.

I don't care for your 'many interpretations' notion either, this is a common way to distort a factual account with a less than factual account while not providing any solid rebuttal. You know your history well, well that solves it. End of discussion, let's not even address the matter at hand. ;) Half-wit!

"Peace deal", you mean his country was subjugated to the ottoman empire, as I said. Idiot. The ottoman empire would take/enslave young boys from subjugated territories.

And you know when you are not taken seriously in history science? The moment wikipedia is introduced. So please, you won, now piss off with this depraved fail of a man who was among the greatest insane criminals history has known. No I did not watch your video, because already studied this Vlad years before now. I do not need some populair BS video for that.

Oh and you're namecalling is just typical.

Okay, then post something other than your childish temper tantrum. Even wikipedia cites it's sources.
He was not depraved, he was a hero who protected his people against unbelievable odds ...against the countless hordes who sought to destroy his people and his land. He came-up with an ingenius way to deter encroaches on his land, against an overwhelming force.

You know which people were depraved?, the ottoman empire. They took slaves from their subjugated territoires ...many of whom were children. Try and 're-interpret' that one idiot.

I like to use ad hom where appropriate, so long as it is supported by ad rem ...it makes it all worthwhile. Idiot.

Personally I'd consider anyone that fought to keep a conquering empire (that happened to have some seriously terrible religious policies) out of their homeland a hero, but thats just me.

^Hey desperate times = desperate measures. I would do anything I could to secure the safety of my family.

ye to creating nation you need fake stories and heroes

Sometimes you need real heroes. For example the men who signed the Declaration of Independence were ruined because of it.
They were heroes. They created a Nation.

The fake stories and fake heroes come much later, those stories they use to try and facilitate the destruction of a once great Nation. At the same time, they usually make heroes of the past into villians and promote villians as heroes.

I am sure you will understasnd that this is the case in the Western world today.

Well I asked a Romanian I know, and you bloody know, Vlad actually is a hero there. I guess it's easy to love your own leaders. But that doesnt change my view on the guy, it just adds.

I'll let it be now, enjoy the game!

There is no good or evil, just perception.

History has a lot of grey area, especially when considering history is quite often another's telling of it, meaning there is bias and agenda right at the source.

That said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxK_nA2iVXw

@smeggy the clown
No-one cares what your crazy view is. It doesn't matter what your friend says either. Most people usually read books, or rely on academics who have read the literature. This is sensible.

At first you were saying you knew more than such people ...then you go and ask a friend?!?!, you are a liar. You never knew what you were talking about. I wonder why you would do that ;), why would you care.

Lastly, it is not some 'psychological' phenomenon where they 'love their own leaders'. It is a reasonable sentiment based on the objective and meritous fact that Vald did in-fact save his people from the zombie hordes of the ottoman emopire. Period.

Stop trying to twist it to your deceptive view.

Originally posted by matthewameluxen:

There is no good or evil, just perception.

History has a lot of grey area, especially when considering history is quite often another's telling of it, meaning there is bias and agenda right at the source.

That said:

I don't want to get into moral relativism, but that is not true. Some things lead to stable strong societies, some things do not. That is one objective measure. The unchanging rules of nature, of development and growth offers another insight.