Valle is actually one of the stronger characters, her L comes out very fast and is safe on block.

Uh, Valle has the second fastest attack in the game, If I'm not entirely mistaken.

lolwut She has one of the fastest Ls in the game and its not "useless" neither is her R.

fastest? not really lmfao

Originally posted by blaker(need team):

fastest? not really lmfao

Second fastest L and a high priority and second fastest JL

How are you guys determining the speed of the attack?

practice. and using it against one another.

you dont need to practice to know a time? and the left comes out pretty fast yeah but after the secon left click its to slow in ly opinion and the right click is slow in any posible way lol

No seriously, Devolth. How are you REALLY determining times. You aren't going to tell me how you do a judgement call on it cause I'm not buying =D

Originally posted by eiekal:

No seriously, Devolth. How are you REALLY determining times. You aren't going to tell me how you do a judgement call on it cause I'm not buying =D

Well, first off all, it's a pretty easy observation to make. Everyone but Valle, Hyde and to some extent ♥♥♥♥ and Gaspar has some sort of pre-swing start to their attack, be it a quick pose, a dash forwards, or rearing their weapon/hand, whereas those characters just attack right off the bat, cutting down their attack time substantially. Also, he has 520+ hours of game time, so I'd say his word's pretty damn good at this point.

And about Valle, Valle is one of the strongest characters in the game. Yes, her LLL is slow, but her first attack is fast, and if it hits you should be able to hit the second one cuz hitstun. That'll let you knock them in the air with an LR, catch them off guard and break their block with an LLR, or just LL. LLL isn't particularly useful, but very, very few characters have good LLL moves anyhow, so that isn't new. As for the rest of her character, it's all pretty justified. She's one of the tankiest characters in the game, not to mention her invincible move and her regenerating move giving her one hell of an edge when she's got RP to spare. She's got a ridiculous amount of block-breakers (her LLR and JR along with her power LR), she can keep ridiculous amounts of pressure on an enemy with her JLL, and her L is one of the easiest to use attacks in the game. Also, RR is hard to hit, but real hurty and stamina draining, which is the only attack in the game that drains stamina. and her shift + R basically stops people from being able to effectively run. So overall, the character's a damn good one. You just need to learn her.

(In case you have no idea what I said, L means left click, R means right click, J means jump. When said together, I'm talking about a combo.)

well yeah but her attacks are to slow you can never do a lr llr because they will block or jump away or just counter attacj after lr and that is if you even can get the hits before them cause her left comes out much fatser then her right but its still not that fast though

Stop just stop, theres nothing wrong with her its even arguable that she needs nerfs. Play with her a bit more and you'll get used to her, I used to think that Elika was utter garbage and boy was I wrong.

Oh I get it. Thank you. Btw, I'd like contribute and say that from my tests, Valle has one of the fastest LL in the game if not the fastest. I'm not sure if I'm saying this right but by fastest, what I mean is her start and endframes combined are short. I hope you understand what I'm saying because I don't know how else to say it hehe

Originally posted by KalinkaMalinka:

Stop just stop, theres nothing wrong with her its even arguable that she needs nerfs. Play with her a bit more and you'll get used to her, I used to think that Elika was utter garbage and boy was I wrong.

elika needs a buff

Originally posted by HowToCountToPotato:

Originally posted by KalinkaMalinka:

Stop just stop, theres nothing wrong with her its even arguable that she needs nerfs. Play with her a bit more and you'll get used to her, I used to think that Elika was utter garbage and boy was I wrong.

elika needs a buff

Not really. She does plenty of damage, has a swing range only beaten by danmei, and has more evasive maneuvers and a larger variation of attacks than anyone else in the game. Plus, you can still really rack up damage if you get behind your enemies with your L.