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nagasnow

7 May, 2014 @ 9:06pm

Hyde needs a rework

I must say based on all the chars I've ever fought against never had I experience such frustration trying to adapt and counter hyde. To start I think he has a relatively strong melee and range combat. People may complain that renny's speed or renoahs range is overpowered, but I've been able to adapt to them. As far as I can see it hyde beats out all my attacks and his range does some real nice damage. He KS's with his arrows but I must let that go for FFA it happens. The only ways I've been able to beat him out was if he whiffed an attack. Also his hp and armor aren't as dismal compared to renny or renoah, he can really take a beating with his 1700hp and 1050 armor.

I hope this doesn't sound like a complaint, sorry if it does, but I don't mean it that way. If my logic is flawed please point it out.

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Godzilla.exe has Archeblade

8 May, 2014 @ 12:42am

I think hyde's melee is just enhanced with latency. It's hard to counter/dodge the small window it presents with the more lag.

Although his hp/armor are pretty high, ridika's is higher and tbh he can get punish pretty easily without many defensive options.

posture check has Archeblade

8 May, 2014 @ 4:01am

He has both good ranged and good melee.
His R has about same dps as Renoah's pistol spam, but his melee is also way more powerful than Reno, and he doesn't have to mind his ammo to use it.
His LaltR is quicker than most, his punish window after LLL is probably one of the smallest (it doesnt help that he lunges with his last L).
There's also no real reason why he should have more health than Elika/Elrath.

Simply put, he's too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ quick.

Last edited by posture check; 8 May, 2014 @ 4:41am

nagasnow

8 May, 2014 @ 7:52am

Originally posted by Godzilla.exe:
I think hyde's melee is just enhanced with latency. It's hard to counter/dodge the small window it presents with the more lag.

Although his hp/armor are pretty high, ridika's is higher and tbh he can get punish pretty easily without many defensive options.

But ridika doesn't have the range advantage of hyde

posture check has Archeblade

8 May, 2014 @ 8:12am

Ridika's R has longer range than Hyde tbh.
But it leaves her open so much you can punish her even while downloading gay porn with hats on.
You can't do the same with Hyde, heck a lot of characters basically can't punish Hyde.
It also doesn't help that his downtimes seem to be short as ♥♥♥♥, he can pressure you literally as soon as he touches ground after a launch, which is something that doesn't seem to happen with other characters.

Yumeno☯

8 May, 2014 @ 2:17pm

I think he isn't too much of a pain to fight except his melee seems to be a tad too quick.
Unlike Renoah his range has to travel and tends to slow him down.

Last edited by Yumeno☯; 8 May, 2014 @ 2:18pm

posture check has Archeblade

8 May, 2014 @ 2:27pm

Rnoah's L and Hyde's R both deal pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ damage tbh.
They're also both slow so getting close to them isn't much of a problem with most characters.

Annoyance comes from Hyde just jumping like a ♥♥♥ and going invisibility, whereas Renoah can only roll around cutely or use her weird LR.

nagasnow

8 May, 2014 @ 2:32pm

hyde's charged R does 600 damage and even more with his F activated, and of course they're usually standing to the side shooting you, i mean what kinda ranger would you be if you were gonna walk up to someone and shoot them

Godzilla.exe has Archeblade

8 May, 2014 @ 2:38pm

Originally posted by Yuki Nagato:
hyde's charged R does 600 damage and even more with his F activated, and of course they're usually standing to the side shooting you, i mean what kinda ranger would you be if you were gonna walk up to someone and shoot them

I do that all the time lol.

LLR lel.

Yumeno☯

8 May, 2014 @ 2:45pm

Originally posted by Sickness:
Rnoah's L and Hyde's R both deal pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ damage tbh.
They're also both slow so getting close to them isn't much of a problem with most characters.

Annoyance comes from Hyde just jumping like a ♥♥♥ and going invisibility, whereas Renoah can only roll around cutely or use her weird LR.

They are not THAT slow. Renoah can still run and roll while shooting and keeping her distance.

Taimatsu

8 May, 2014 @ 3:24pm

The most enjoyement I got outtah playing with Renoah in Nagas pit was hearing God rage me the entire match lol.

Last edited by Taimatsu; 8 May, 2014 @ 3:25pm

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Godzilla.exe has Archeblade

8 May, 2014 @ 5:08pm

Originally posted by Sazonde:
The most enjoyement I got outtah playing with Renoah in Nagas pit was hearing God rage me the entire match lol.

Well thats cus you had someone actively defending you. I coulda caught you if some renny wasn't so determined to protect you lol.

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Rinera

9 May, 2014 @ 2:30am

Hyde might be the only character in the OP list that didn't get any proper adjustments apart from a bit of polishing. Just looking at him JR or LLL spamming and still getting kills because ♥♥♥♥ you is as irritating as it was before.

The most annoying thing about him is that he doesn't have an obvious opening while he is using his LL so even if you try to interrupt him you getting parried from nothing. If you fail to land a hit after his LLL is done he can still continue as he can magically spam.

Last edited by Rinera; 9 May, 2014 @ 2:33am

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Xuande 9 May, 2014 @ 4:10am

I really don't appreciate how Hyde has a higher base speed than me, can play a long range game, has an adequate melee game, and can cloak better than me (Cezanne).

I guess I should be thankful that most Hyde aren't +Speed geared yet, I'm sure those that are can kite me all day with no hint of being punished for it.

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posture check has Archeblade

9 May, 2014 @ 6:44am

Originally posted by Asukazero:
Ridika = Spin spam

Dan Mei = LLLLLLLL Spam

Gaspar = Mine spam, shoot you with OP rockets and run away, then if you do catch up to me I have strong and fast melee as well and if you beat ALL that, I still can just blow myself up and kill you as a last resort.

Cez = Skull spam, then if you want to come after me and kill me, I'll just JR you to death.

Valle = God

Hyde is the only character in the OP list? You should stop commenting. You seem to have no clue what you're talking about.

This post gave me a hard on.
11/10 bait, would respond again.

Last edited by posture check; 9 May, 2014 @ 7:46am

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