Industrial Annihilation

Industrial Annihilation

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KishiPhio 18 Dec, 2024 @ 11:50am
I feel scammed. And you should too.
Having played 3 hours on ONLY the tutorials because of how sloggish they are, i doubt steam would let me refund this. (Doing this chat now but i bought the game on day one, like a fool.)

So, despite it being an early access, there is a good reason i don't feel good about this game.
Let's take a look at the trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB49yJp-rJI

You know, i feel like i got scammed, and while rewatching the trailer, i now know EXACTLY why it feels like so.

Some seconds of the trailer show gameplay and "UI", and i am furious that once i delved further into that, i saw something i wished i would've never seen.

0:58 in the trailer
You first see the Chaos faction, it's not in the game, i am pissed but okay sure, it's early access.

1:03 This is not acceptable.
The UI is exactly the same as Planetary anihilation.
And what do we have in game ? Can't even tell our energy influx, barely any UI to speak of, THEY EVEN DARED SHOWING A PLANET IN THE TOP RIGHT FOR AN OFFICIAL TRAILER
How is this legal ? You cannot tell me this wasn't done to make it look more appealing because they knew DAMN well their game couldn't even hold a single candle to that trailer.

I would've preferred 100 times having that UI in an altogether different game than what we have right now. That trailer is misinformation at it's finest.

And yes, i should have looked at the game's steam description. Yes, i should've looked at videos before buying.
It's been so long since i had a good rts come out that i just wolfed down on this game that can't even try to be ITSELF even in trailers.
So what happened after ? I spent 20 hours more on planetary anihilation instead. Sigh. I really regret that i probably can't refund this.
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Eric 18 Dec, 2024 @ 12:33pm 
Yeah it's the same thing as planetary
Underscorecow 18 Dec, 2024 @ 3:25pm 
The first trailer and the commander dropping wasnt a hint there would be planets it was to cinematically show a transition from PA to IA.

I agree the tutorials suck and only the 4th mission has any value (to test and experiment) but thats only viable if you plan on playing pvp.
Mtown043 18 Dec, 2024 @ 10:46pm 
what part of EARLY acces is confusing to you?
KishiPhio 19 Dec, 2024 @ 12:43am 
Originally posted by Mtown043:
what part of EARLY access is confusing to you?


You people are tiring to even see.
You release a theory and investor project for the public and then you slap early access on it, pathetic. Early access was never that at first.
I'm simply disappointed considering the trailer showed things firstly misinformative and secondly things that could come in this game YEARS down the line.

Early Access should mean a playable game.
Do i need to remind you the state this game came out ? I can't even play right now, there isn't even skirmish, I'm not going to say anything regarding performance as i haven't played since some patches ago, but yeah. I bought this game to play it in the first place, not do 4 sloggish "tutorials" and come back next year.
Yemto 19 Dec, 2024 @ 12:59pm 
The trailer says "pre-alpha visualization", meaning what you're seeing is a concept trailer. Which other games has done too, like Starcraft 2, where abilities are shown; sensor towers upgrading does not exists, Odin isn't build-able by SCVs, and time bomb doesn't exists.

Early Access does not guarantee which state of development the game is in. It doe not mean "demo" or "almost finished" like so many people seems to believe.

The acknowledgement screen, version number (dev-0.2.0), and the lack of modes should really have clewed you in that what you're playing is a very early build of the game.
Star Platinum 19 Dec, 2024 @ 2:53pm 
So many people don't understand that the concept of early access is to increase funding for a game during its development and allow for early feedback during the alpha and beta stages of a game. Games in their alpha stage like this are not intended to be ready as-is. You aren't paying for a complete game. You're paying for early access to a game actively in development, and that comes with risks.

This game is not Planetary Annihilation. It's Industrial Annihilation. They're tackling something that has to do with heavy data organization, indexing, logistics, and search optimization, something they likely have little to no experience with since those elements were hardly present in PA. It's a whole different ballpark and doing it efficiently is a time consuming process.

PA was a fairly original idea for the RTS genre- being able to go between planets and even crash them into each other to cause devastating, game-changing damage. That being said, the technology was hardly groundbreaking. Don't get me wrong, I loved PA, but it's not extraordinary.

What I understand the least is how many people are so angrily comparing this to PA and calling this a 'scam like PA', but they had to have backed or bought the game in order to post a discussion about it. If PA was a scam, why buy IA in the first place? Just to be able to complain about it? Some people are unbelievable.

tl;dr If you're going to spend money on an incomplete game without doing the research to understand just what exactly you're spending your money on, then you're going to get something you might not have expected. End of story.
tripodalt 24 Dec, 2024 @ 12:09am 
EARLY ACCES PREVENT THEM TO BE PROSECUTED FOR CHANGING THE GAME OR FOR CRASH.
you can arg about a completly diferent game but not about details .
i buyed planetary long time after the release and it was good at all points despit some weakness .
but what thinked those that played it dday one?
Amalgamachinist 24 Dec, 2024 @ 1:30am 
I felt scammed after they've pulled a PA: Titans on the fanbase.


Originally posted by Star Platinum:
So many people don't understand that the concept of early access is to increase funding for a game during its development and allow for early feedback during the alpha and beta stages of a game. Games in their alpha stage like this are not intended to be ready as-is. You aren't paying for a complete game. You're paying for early access to a game actively in development, and that comes with risks.

From what I've seen, it's not alpha-state. It's a proof-of concept tech demo at best that does not even have a working AI or skirmish.

Originally posted by Mtown043:
what part of EARLY acces is confusing to you?
Way too early access, more like.
tripodalt 24 Dec, 2024 @ 3:03am 
their is a working ai for the few i seen.
or maybe its completly scripted .
since their is no save and its really questionnable , its hard to see if the behavior is fixed.
alpha is never public.
alpha is just placeholders and requiert skill at codding for understand what happend.
actually its a beta with cosmetics as nearl all early access.
the diference is the playability is limited as a tutorial state.
generally other games wait the mid beta for release.
its the common trend to claim pre alpha then the player can larp to be a dev.
real dev dont enjoy their own game because they know what behind and its rarelly nice as the cosmetics show.
let imagine the majority of game with units as single plot and projectiles non existent being just insta damage.
total annihilation brought the physical projectile with balistic trajectory what can be dodged by microing the units and the following was the body parts that not any game use but allow to loose limbs.
Last edited by tripodalt; 24 Dec, 2024 @ 3:12am
Many people believe that Early Access means that a game must be unplayable and have nothing in common with the announcement trailer. This is a misunderstanding. Early Access should be used to polish a game, not to fund it or figure out what direction it should take first.

This “game” feels more like a tech demo than a full-fledged product and is another example of how publishers can release inferior content without consequences. In a material economy, something like this would be unthinkable - but in the software industry, it seems to be accepted. That's just disappointing.

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early access is just what they want its the sole point of it.
i buyed a game solo mission hard stoped because a bug and the devs decided to let the game for sale but not more update steam version for switching to itch or something.
i begged steam about and they just dont care after 2h played.
its not a surprise since we signed for it.
in material economy you can see that too : its named prototypes.not to confuse with pre-serie.
3ogus 4 Jan @ 6:10am 
Check out the release notes and you'll see that they are releasing this VERY early in order to involve the community. This is what EA is, was, or should be. Just have a bit of patience and maybe contribute to the conversation in a productive way - you have an opportunity to influence how the game is developed here :)
Last edited by 3ogus; 4 Jan @ 6:10am
Here's a simple wiki quote to describe the concept of early access.

Originally posted by literally the internet:
Early access, also known as alpha access, alpha founding, paid alpha, or game preview, is a funding model in the video game industry by which consumers can purchase and play a game in the various pre-release development cycles, such as pre-alpha, alpha, and/or beta, while the developer is able to use those funds to continue further development on the game.

Now some of you might counter this with the following quote.

Originally posted by literally the internet:
Many crowdfunding projects promise to offer access to alpha and/or beta versions of the game as development progresses; however, unlike some of these projects which solicit funds but do not yet have a playable game, all early access games offer an immediately playable version of the unfinished game to players.

However, this game isn't "unplayable". Sure, it's lacking for a lot of content in its alpha stage, but there is absolutely a functioning single player tutorial campaign and there is absolutely a functioning 1v1 skirmish mode. Are they great in their current state? Not particularly. The devs are still working on the game, obviously. Are they playable? Yes.

Warning: Personal Opinion on the Internet Ahead

Again, nobody is forcing anyone to buy any early access game. Whining about it because you didn't do your own research or expected more when these discussions about the current state of the game are here, publicly available to you, is just a sheer lack of responsibility on your part. The devs did their part, and they're still doing their part. Ours as early access consumers is to support them. I don't know about those of you who are complaining about your own financial decisions, but I'm doing my part.

It can't be a scam if all this information is publicly available. Which it is, so I don't understand why so many people feel inclined to complain. Cry, I guess.

I like the concept they're going for, and I'm patient enough to wait for a finished product and enjoy watching the development as it occurs.
It's certainly not a scam but it certainly is going to be niche product. right now the functionality is a bit rudimentary but they have enough product in here that I can see why they need to get people into it to even just learn how to play before they will be able to get into major wars
the update are not coming more: is they bankrupted?
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