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XtReMz98 6 Sep @ 7:08pm
Seeking NG+ achievement advice
Howdy,

I'm about to embark on my NG+ adventure, but would like to seek some clarification for two achievements in particular to (hopefully) make this my final LoP playthrough.

First, the ending "Free from the puppet string". My search on Reddit or Wiki provided conflicting information regarding how to trigger this ending. Could anyone confirm this from the wikipedia: Have Humanity Level higher than 4 and lower than 8. The guide I used to get Rise of P (amazing guide written by jrdeskins) do advice on (almost) always telling the truth for the puppet string ending.

Following that last statement, will I reach Humanity 4 by game's end (to be able to refuse Gepetto) if I basically play the truth angle this time around?

Secondly, I'm missing 8 golden record (NG+ exclusive) and according the warning screen, I get to keep all the ones I got already. I do believe that listening to these old records again will boost humanity on NG+. Since I'm trying to keep humanity low, is it advisable to collect all the golden records, but only play them after I regain control of my character post puppet string ending? I need to listen to them to get their achievement, not simply acquire them...

Thanks for taking a minute of your time to help me out!

Cheers!
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LuckyCheshire 6 Sep @ 7:32pm 
Your exact humanity level is irrelevant, all you need is enough to avoid being locked into giving up your heart. The ending you get is dependent of what you choose to do when you find Sophia, not your humanity score. There was a lot of confusion about that when the game first came out.

I believe that the golden records do not provide humanity though, only the basic ones. And the basic ones only give humanity in NG+ after you pick them up again, not immediately when you reach the hotel.
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Hopper-King 6 Sep @ 9:16pm 
Originally posted by XtReMz98:
Could anyone confirm this from the wikipedia: Have Humanity Level higher than 4 and lower than 8.
someone confirmed elsewhere that, if you're too low, the refuse option won't show up.
pretty sure the above post about that being irrelevant and the choice with sophia being the only difference is about avoiding the "rise of p" ending, which is only true if you have humanity level 8, anything lower and the choice is irrelevant.
basically, if "your heat is pounding" by sophia's choice, then you must not "give her peace".
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XtReMz98 7 Sep @ 7:09am 
Originally posted by Hopper-King:
basically, if "your heat is pounding" by sophia's choice, then you must not "give her peace".

Ok, I saw on some reddit post other people claiming exactly that too, but people claimed this was false too thus my confusion. Humanity 4 is the lower threshold where you can refuse giving Gepetto your heart and giving Sophia peace is the choice that provides the most humanity in the whole game (according to what I've read anyways). Some sources even claimed you can get the "puppet string" ending while saving Sophia, but you need a very very low humanity prior to that choice in order not to get into the "your heart is pounding" range.

So in the base game, letting her live would generally mean not having enough humanity to trigger Rise of P. The DLC drastically change that balance though making RIse of P very easy to trigger (if you tackle the DLC prior to finishing the main story line that is).

All that said, I feel that from both your inputs I shouldn't always tell the truth so I do gain some humanity to refuse Gepetto (planning to let Sophia live this time around).

Do any of you know how much humanity listening to all the non-golden record provide? I could always use them as a backup plan should my humanity be too low...
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Hopper-King 7 Sep @ 7:38am 
or you can play normally, then full stop on humanity gains once "you feel warmth" pops up.
there isn't a marker for humanity level 4, once you see that message, you'll know you're in level 5 and you have 260 point before you hit level 8.
for context, small lies net you under 50 points, big lies net you 150.
most records are under 50 too, except the beach one, which is 150.

edit: or the easier route of just letting sophia "live" while getting as much humanity as possible, like the other user mentioned, it only locks you out if you're both at level 8 and you "give peace".
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XtReMz98 7 Sep @ 8:32am 
Originally posted by Hopper-King:
or you can play normally, then full stop on humanity gains once "you feel warmth" pops up.
there isn't a marker for humanity level 4, once you see that message, you'll know you're in level 5 and you have 260 point before you hit level 8.
for context, small lies net you under 50 points, big lies net you 150.
most records are under 50 too, except the beach one, which is 150.

edit: or the easier route of just letting sophia "live" while getting as much humanity as possible, like the other user mentioned, it only locks you out if you're both at level 8 and you "give peace".

Ah that clears things up, especially the point value of big/small lies. Since I'm planning not to give Sophia peace and not to do the DLC before the main storyline, I think I'm pretty much free of playing "normally" without overthinking it.

Thank you for taking a few minutes off your day to answer this thread!
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