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Angel

25 Sep, 2024 @ 6:53pm

Why is General Valencia morbidly broken?

For context, I am playing solo and on the Brutal difficulty because I wanted to see the fancy new enemy and boss AI. Sadly, as I played before 1.0, it's hard to tell what's new and whatnot with some bosses... But with some of these later bosses, I feel they are a bit (or rather horrendously) unbalanced. In regards to the title, Valencia is the first boss that I feel literally will not allow you to breath. Often times I go in, use the spider ult and skeleton summon to try and burst down a boss's health to start them off. Not only does she basically auto react and insta kill the summons, she does it so quickly that she's already doing her next follow up attack directed at me within the same combo. Add that to her ignoring the dash clone, immaterial aspect (the number of times she's followed me as I dashed and flung me into the damn iron maiden legit caused me to rage quit), or hit me outside the radius of her attacks... It genuinely makes me feel like something is a bit to overtuned in her AI to allow a proper solo fight. And I know people have probably done it, and there's more than likely a specific way to gimmick her that someone has found... But that's not the point of this post.

When I use a dash to avoid a hit, I expect it to avoid the hit. Not have the boss hard track me while still being moved from the dash and ignoring the iframes it gives to knock me out of it and throw me into a stun. Alternatively, when the game shows a red circle or cone to signify an attacks radius, I expect to not be hit by it 5 - 20 feet out of the affected area. This was noticeable with Vincent and Terrorclaw using their frost nova in particular, but at least that only hit once. When you are outside the radius of the rain of spears yet still have multiples hit you, or you walk outside the side edge of the spear thrust cone and get locked into 500 damage that removes your ability to play... It genuinely made me rage quit after dying 5 times in a row. It really doesn't help that the dash, counter, shield, etc abilities all have 8+ second cooldowns, because some of these bosses will chain together some BS moves that you cannot dodge because they are just outright 2 - 5x faster than the player. Terrorclaw's ice nova ability actually hits so far outside the red circle radius that it can hit you multiple times even like... What can you do when you think you aren't going to be hit by something because you are very obviously outside the area it shows?

Sorry this is long winded, I'm posting it after alt f4ing after Val killed me for the 6th time straight... it wasn't even a fight attempt, she killed me when I just went to grab my stuff and I died outside her arena even. She's genuinely much to fast and much to broken.

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Yumeko

26 Sep, 2024 @ 6:09am

its ok to not understand how the boss works at all.

Angel

26 Sep, 2024 @ 6:52am

Originally posted by Yumeko:
its ok to not understand how the boss works at all.

It would be one thing to not understand how a boss works... It's another thing when you kit yourself out with multiple summons to try and draw aggro away from you, only to have the summons instantly die and not hold aggro for even half a second. Or kit yourself out with multiple shields, but the damage breaks the shield almost instantly. Or have multiple counter moves, but most of her attacks don't actually trigger the counter while also ignoring the immaterial buff that is *supposed* to make you immune to things for a second. No, I understand her. I do. It's why I made a long, drawn out post, outlining each of her things. I didn't even bring up how the iron maiden she summons to grab you, pull you into the middle, drain you of your blood, etc, doesn't summon a skeleton like literally anything else when hit with the condemn debuff. Even sentry turrets placed by engineers summon skeletons when they die. Hell, I had a CARRIAGE summoned a skeleton when I hit it with my bow that has condemn on the scatter shot weapon skill. Meanwhile the iron maiden has a health bar and can actively attack you with bulls, grabs, and launches, but doesn't summon a minion even when you block the harpoon hook with the green undead shield. Because it ignores the shield =_=

Cucken Turducken has V Rising

26 Sep, 2024 @ 8:38am

Watch some videos or look up some guides IDK what to tell you, you just hitting a hard wall you need to try to pass and outgear or you are forgetting something or not seeing something other people do or you're lagging really bad or something lol.

Sounds like maybe you need to change up build a lot to find something that works or be running her around in circles and focus the iron maiden to get her by herself which isn't necessary but helps.

If she turns red that means shes getting ready to kick you into the iron maiden.

I'm going to assume you have your max lvl weapon available and gear lvl 8 armor which is the highest you can get at that point?

Cucken Turducken has V Rising

26 Sep, 2024 @ 8:38am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiWOJzjZjgA

This guy has some really good videos too.

Last edited by Cucken Turducken; 26 Sep, 2024 @ 8:39am

blademan619 has V Rising

26 Sep, 2024 @ 3:45pm

Originally posted by Cucken Turducken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiWOJzjZjgA

This guy has some really good videos too.

I watch these videos and feel like I am playing a different game than them...lmao just casually walking around like its nothing, no fight even happening half the time. Meanwhile on my screen everything looks like a spaz attack is happening...mad props to the ones who can beat the game so easily like this lol

Angel

26 Sep, 2024 @ 7:21pm

For anyone thinking I didn't beat her: I did. I made this post after rage quitting, but I have beat her since. And I still adamantly stand by my statements. Val is by far the most busted boss I've fought. Adam can be a bastard, just because he can chain his dashes, but like... He doesn't hard track me while I use a dash ability and ignore immaterial. He also doesn't hit me 2 - 5 "feet" outside of his shown attack radius's. His grab can be a bit jank, where it grabs you well outside the animation. But it's not Val getting me with the spear rain even though I'm clearly outside the red circle, or me stepping to the side of her cone spear jab only to still get hit by most of it. Valencia is literally the only one that sees me use a dash and keep hard locked onto me, ignoring the shadow clone, ignoring the skeletons if she doesn't just 1 tap them and still do the follow up to hard track me through the immaterial. Hell, I even recently learned even Adam can't grab you through immaterial, yet Val can, Val's iron maiden can, and it doesn't make sense. Thus the existence of this post.

Angel

26 Sep, 2024 @ 7:27pm

Originally posted by Cucken Turducken:
Watch some videos or look up some guides IDK what to tell you, you just hitting a hard wall you need to try to pass and outgear or you are forgetting something or not seeing something other people do or you're lagging really bad or something lol.

Sounds like maybe you need to change up build a lot to find something that works or be running her around in circles and focus the iron maiden to get her by herself which isn't necessary but helps.

If she turns red that means shes getting ready to kick you into the iron maiden.

I'm going to assume you have your max lvl weapon available and gear lvl 8 armor which is the highest you can get at that point?

As for the build change ups, I tried bursting her down with chaos flames, I tried leeching through the bs, honestly for most of the game I default to the undead summons because I'm flying solo and they grab aggro for at least a second, but Val looks at them and they die so fast that she just continues her combo on me lol. Refer back to me dashing and her hard tracking me through it instead of hitting the shadow clone. Number of times she would kill my skeletons with a sweep, then auto flip on me to hit me and I dash only for her to dash and have hers curve with mine as she knocks me out of immaterial. *It does not make sense*

@%thesock10150alpha49 has V Rising

27 Sep, 2024 @ 6:03am

Originally posted by Xero:
you'll have her defeated in 3 to 8 tries

I will never understand how winning once makes people just forget getting bodied so many times. It took me 3 tries to down brutal Quincy and it felt like I lost my purpose as a human being for the rest of the day.

TheSuit

27 Sep, 2024 @ 6:11am

She has lots of attacks where she stands still, use ultimate when such attacks start, instead of starting off with burst

Also fight her in an area where where there is an indestructible rock

Angel

27 Sep, 2024 @ 6:37am

... Valencia doesn't leave her arena...? Nani da fuq?

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Wasabi Steak Sashimi Burger Cake has V Rising

27 Sep, 2024 @ 8:36am

OP does have a point with the AoE indicators tho

sometimes, the actual hurt circle seems larger than its indicator

even bullet hell games would make the actual hurt circles smaller than the sprites (the indicators) that represent them

i know it's just something you have to get used to, and i won't ask for the AoE nor the hit circles to be smaller, but i hope they do adjust the graphic sometime

Last edited by Wasabi Steak Sashimi Burger Cake; 27 Sep, 2024 @ 1:52pm

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TheSuit

27 Sep, 2024 @ 9:13am

Originally posted by Angel:
... Valencia doesn't leave her arena...? Nani da fuq?

Oh thinking about the frost lady.

This lady also has a ton of attacks where she just stands still.
Only thing is kill the coffin to help reduce chance of getting snagged.

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Admiral Black Captain has V Rising

30 Sep, 2024 @ 2:34am

All vamp boss on brutal are easy. Learn the patterns and play against them. You can always change your build for every fight.

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Angel

30 Sep, 2024 @ 2:55pm

Originally posted by Wasabi Steak Sashimi Burger Cake:
OP does have a point with the AoE indicators tho

sometimes, the actual hurt circle seems larger than its indicator

even bullet hell games would make the actual hurt circles smaller than the sprites (the indicators) that represent them

i know it's just something you have to get used to, and i won't ask for the AoE nor the hit circles to be smaller, but i hope they do adjust the graphic sometime

This ^ I'm not asking for smaller hit boxes or anything of the sort, I'm asking to know where I'm *safe* lol. When I am standing between 2 circles saying damage will be here, and there's clearly a safe gap, I shouldn't then get double stacked damage because both end up hitting me. As for the person saying it's a ping issue... I'm playing solo on a private game world that I host non dedicated. There shouldn't be "ping" lmao. I am the source of the world. There are some awkward delays to some attacks and spells, but that's not even remotely close to the point of this post. As for anyone still jumping in saying "it's easy, just learn their patterns and change your build" definitely didn't read any of the other responses lol. I've tried changing the builds, I've learned the mechanics the bosses have, and learning that does not in any way change the original meaning of this post in how Val is brutally and unfairly fast with most of her attacks hitting when they fundamentally should not as shown by indicators. As someone who has reach Dracula solo on Brutal, I can safely say I've learned just about every boss to a large extent XD (I will admit I stopped at Drac because he just flat out feels like someone who isn't meant to be solo'd at all. I know people have done it, but I consider it a win already.)

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Cucken Turducken has V Rising

30 Sep, 2024 @ 3:52pm

Originally posted by Angel:
Originally posted by Wasabi Steak Sashimi Burger Cake:
OP does have a point with the AoE indicators tho

sometimes, the actual hurt circle seems larger than its indicator

even bullet hell games would make the actual hurt circles smaller than the sprites (the indicators) that represent them

i know it's just something you have to get used to, and i won't ask for the AoE nor the hit circles to be smaller, but i hope they do adjust the graphic sometime

This ^ I'm not asking for smaller hit boxes or anything of the sort, I'm asking to know where I'm *safe* lol. When I am standing between 2 circles saying damage will be here, and there's clearly a safe gap, I shouldn't then get double stacked damage because both end up hitting me. As for the person saying it's a ping issue... I'm playing solo on a private game world that I host non dedicated. There shouldn't be "ping" lmao. I am the source of the world. There are some awkward delays to some attacks and spells, but that's not even remotely close to the point of this post. As for anyone still jumping in saying "it's easy, just learn their patterns and change your build" definitely didn't read any of the other responses lol. I've tried changing the builds, I've learned the mechanics the bosses have, and learning that does not in any way change the original meaning of this post in how Val is brutally and unfairly fast with most of her attacks hitting when they fundamentally should not as shown by indicators. As someone who has reach Dracula solo on Brutal, I can safely say I've learned just about every boss to a large extent XD (I will admit I stopped at Drac because he just flat out feels like someone who isn't meant to be solo'd at all. I know people have done it, but I consider it a win already.)

Could also be a solo bug or private server bug, as all the people responding are taken your post into account, I've soloed her plenty of times on brutal and never had any of these issues, I've had issues duo with Domina acting erratic but this was after the AI PATCH but once solo it was perfectly fine.

It's either your world is bugged, you're not fast enough, or frame drops that are affecting your game since its solo/private or just a heavy performance issue.

I've had the issues with telegraphs being slightly off, never had this with Valencia though so I don't know what to say about that.

Some people have harder problems with certain bosses, I've had people have problems with the Winged Horror of all bosses even though it's one of the easiest ones and some people have problems even in ACT III.

I've also never had an issue with Adam and I've never understand the people having problems, even after the nerfs everyone is still upset and complaining with how much easier he is, you literally just walk away from his grab and dodge telegraphs, that boss did have bugged telegraphs and they fixed it, so even easier now on top of all his nerfs.

Anyways, congrats, at least you started having a hard time towards the end and not in the beginning like some people.

Last edited by Cucken Turducken; 30 Sep, 2024 @ 3:54pm

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