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Walrus Beard 8 Jan @ 8:40pm
Why the hate? Am I missing something?
First things first, I'm pretty new to Final Fantasy. I also have only put about 8 hours into part one of the remake. I wanted to wait until the release of part two on PC before continuing.

Okay, so here's my background. I have only played two Final Fantasy games. First one was Final Fantasy VII the original. The second one was Final Fantasy XVI. I liked the story and the characters for FF VII, but the gameplay was for me an agonizing slog. When I knew I was getting close to the end, I YouTubed the rest. The only thing I really missed in my opinion was the satisfaction of being able to say that I beat it. Having struggled up to that point to beat multiple bosses (maybe I just wasn't properly utilizing the materia system), I had no desire to face down Sephiroth.

I cannot really comment on the remake from a story perspective, but the story of the original, while good, was not something sacred to me. I am interested to see what direction the developers go with things for the remake. Of the 8 hours I played, I found it much more enjoyable.

People complain of fluff and unnecessary extra content. Seriously? Look at the length of the original game. It's around 36 hours, and that is the time if you are rushing and not taking the time to explore and do side content. On the limited hardware of the time, they made a 36 hour game if you are moving quickly. Now they have expanded on that original vision. They are making the game they might have made back then if they had the ability to do so. Of course the project would be massive in scope. I mean, look at the original cut scene for arrival at the Golden Saucer vs the one in the remake. I like the new one better for sure.

I think the hate is overblown. The merits of splitting a game up into three parts can be argued, but I think that really depends on what kind of value is offered per installment. I have yet to make that determination for myself personally, but I think some people are overreacting quite a bit.
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Mr Fox 8 Jan @ 8:55pm 
welcome to the internet, where everything is made up and the points don't matter
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Walrus Beard 8 Jan @ 8:56pm 
Originally posted by Mr Fox:
welcome to the internet, where everything is made up and the points don't matter
True true!
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Shibby 8 Jan @ 9:19pm 
It should have been split into two games instead of three. There is some serious padding that doesn't add much to the game IMO. I also think the game should have been the same game when it comes to the story and the "twist" of changing things saved for NG+.

They should have also realized that if people don't like your first part of a story why would they show up for the other parts? Which is why Rebirth didn't hit expectations sales wise. If you look on the achievements on here you see that it's around 30% that beat the game. I know it's not exact numbers but that is 70% of players that just stopped playing.

So I think a tight two games would have been the better bet.
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Walrus Beard 8 Jan @ 9:38pm 
Originally posted by Shibby:
It should have been split into two games instead of three. There is some serious padding that doesn't add much to the game IMO. I also think the game should have been the same game when it comes to the story and the "twist" of changing things saved for NG+.

They should have also realized that if people don't like your first part of a story why would they show up for the other parts? Which is why Rebirth didn't hit expectations sales wise. If you look on the achievements on here you see that it's around 30% that beat the game. I know it's not exact numbers but that is 70% of players that just stopped playing.

So I think a tight two games would have been the better bet.
Yeah you are probably right on making it two games. Like I said, the merits can be debated. I will not be able to form an opinion until I play all three games for myself some time in the distant future.
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MancSoulja 8 Jan @ 9:43pm 
The hate comes from the fact that the game is called Remake, the fans wanted a Remake, but what we got in essence was a sequel.
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Melodia 8 Jan @ 10:13pm 
Originally posted by Shibby:
If you look on the achievements on here you see that it's around 30% that beat the game. I know it's not exact numbers but that is 70% of players that just stopped playing.

That's pretty normal. If anything, that's on the high side. Most games have a reletively low completion rate.
Hell take FF12. Looks like 15.1% beat the game. FFX? 19% (and until a week ago I was one of those 81% despite playing it for a good 170 or so hours).
By this logic, this game actually held peoples' interest.
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Shibby 8 Jan @ 11:00pm 
Originally posted by Melodia:
Originally posted by Shibby:
If you look on the achievements on here you see that it's around 30% that beat the game. I know it's not exact numbers but that is 70% of players that just stopped playing.

That's pretty normal. If anything, that's on the high side. Most games have a reletively low completion rate.
Hell take FF12. Looks like 15.1% beat the game. FFX? 19% (and until a week ago I was one of those 81% despite playing it for a good 170 or so hours).
By this logic, this game actually held peoples' interest.

True but other remakes like RE2 and RE4 have almost 50% of players finishing the game and their sales are great compared to Rebirth. I just think the game has too many changes for the hardcore fans and new players don't know what the changes are and just didn't connect with the characters like the original did for players back then.

I will still standby that the story should have been the same as the changes are not satisfying at all. I still like the games for what they are but I keep feeling like they could have been the best thing Square has done in a very long time if they would have limited it to two games with some expansion to the story but not fundamental changes.
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Blurey 8 Jan @ 11:48pm 
Originally posted by Shibby:
It should have been split into two games instead of three. There is some serious padding that doesn't add much to the game IMO. I also think the game should have been the same game when it comes to the story and the "twist" of changing things saved for NG+.

They should have also realized that if people don't like your first part of a story why would they show up for the other parts? Which is why Rebirth didn't hit expectations sales wise. If you look on the achievements on here you see that it's around 30% that beat the game. I know it's not exact numbers but that is 70% of players that just stopped playing.

So I think a tight two games would have been the better bet.

The Director said Rebirth performed fine when it comes to sales. Just cause games news media share the same article amongst themselves doesn't mean it's true. Read the financial report, this is just a whole 'nother problem in general we have to deal in gaming when it comes to "news" media.
Same thing as with FF 15, game made them a lot of money, but the English speaking online sentiment is another thing, mostly reddit and google search feeding the reddit mindset/narrative.
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MancSoulja 8 Jan @ 11:53pm 
Originally posted by Blurey:
Originally posted by Shibby:
It should have been split into two games instead of three. There is some serious padding that doesn't add much to the game IMO. I also think the game should have been the same game when it comes to the story and the "twist" of changing things saved for NG+.

They should have also realized that if people don't like your first part of a story why would they show up for the other parts? Which is why Rebirth didn't hit expectations sales wise. If you look on the achievements on here you see that it's around 30% that beat the game. I know it's not exact numbers but that is 70% of players that just stopped playing.

So I think a tight two games would have been the better bet.

The Director said Rebirth performed fine when it comes to sales. Just cause games news media share the same article amongst themselves doesn't mean it's true. Read the financial report, this is just a whole 'nother problem in general we have to deal in gaming when it comes to "news" media.
Same thing as with FF 15, game made them a lot of money, but the English speaking online sentiment is another thing, mostly reddit and google search feeding the reddit mindset/narrative.

Of course he did, he's not going to say "Rebirth is officially the worst ever selling Final Fantasy game in Japan" which it is by the way.
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angmarets 9 Jan @ 8:03am 
did not play original, but for me anything other then gameplay in Remake was an 'agonizing slog'. Useless sidequests, useless often unskipable cutscenes, useless gameplay 'cutscenes' where you slowly follow character or even standing still. Cuting all the filler dialogs would easily reduce this game to 15 hours. Each character just loves the sound of his/her voice.
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ByTheNumbers 9 Jan @ 8:52am 
Originally posted by Shibby:
It should have been split into two games instead of three. There is some serious padding that doesn't add much to the game IMO. I also think the game should have been the same game when it comes to the story and the "twist" of changing things saved for NG+.

They should have also realized that if people don't like your first part of a story why would they show up for the other parts? Which is why Rebirth didn't hit expectations sales wise. If you look on the achievements on here you see that it's around 30% that beat the game. I know it's not exact numbers but that is 70% of players that just stopped playing.

So I think a tight two games would have been the better bet.
That's not saying much. Most games, particularly story-driven ones, do not have the "beat the game" achievement earned by most players. At least, that is what I always notice when I look at the achievements I collect.
Last edited by ByTheNumbers; 9 Jan @ 8:52am
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Shibby 9 Jan @ 10:13am 
Originally posted by ByTheNumbers:
Originally posted by Shibby:
It should have been split into two games instead of three. There is some serious padding that doesn't add much to the game IMO. I also think the game should have been the same game when it comes to the story and the "twist" of changing things saved for NG+.

They should have also realized that if people don't like your first part of a story why would they show up for the other parts? Which is why Rebirth didn't hit expectations sales wise. If you look on the achievements on here you see that it's around 30% that beat the game. I know it's not exact numbers but that is 70% of players that just stopped playing.

So I think a tight two games would have been the better bet.
That's not saying much. Most games, particularly story-driven ones, do not have the "beat the game" achievement earned by most players. At least, that is what I always notice when I look at the achievements I collect.


I already mentioned that it's not an amazing source or anything but given that the sequel failed to meet sales expectations it seems to fit that people won't buy the next game if they don't finish the first in a story driven game.
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Calandir 9 Jan @ 2:29pm 
Best Advice I can give, is to ignore people. I got this game right now before Rebirth being finally on PC, and I really enjoy it, I do have some problems with it, but it's overall very good game, and love letter to FF7 fans.

Just enjoy it and forget about people. I did the same and loved FF16 too.
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Derivat949 9 Jan @ 2:50pm 
Originally posted by MancSoulja:
Originally posted by Blurey:

The Director said Rebirth performed fine when it comes to sales. Just cause games news media share the same article amongst themselves doesn't mean it's true. Read the financial report, this is just a whole 'nother problem in general we have to deal in gaming when it comes to "news" media.
Same thing as with FF 15, game made them a lot of money, but the English speaking online sentiment is another thing, mostly reddit and google search feeding the reddit mindset/narrative.

Of course he did, he's not going to say "Rebirth is officially the worst ever selling Final Fantasy game in Japan" which it is by the way.

It's a direct sequel and exclusive to a single console. There was probably a not insignificant amount of people that played Remake on PS4 but didn't have a PS5 to play Rebirth on too. Not to mention PC obviously. Real sales figures will exist in a couple of weeks.
Last edited by Derivat949; 9 Jan @ 2:56pm
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Weltall8000 9 Jan @ 2:56pm 
Originally posted by Derivat949:
Originally posted by MancSoulja:

Of course he did, he's not going to say "Rebirth is officially the worst ever selling Final Fantasy game in Japan" which it is by the way.

It's a direct sequel and exclusive to a single console. There was probably a not insignificant amount of people that played Remake on PS4 but didn't have a PS5 to play it on too Not to mention PC obviously. Real sales figures will exist in a couple of weeks.
I am interested to see those. I keep hearing people say the sales were ♥♥♥♥ (like, barely 2 million (which I just do not believe)), yet I keep seeing that it was in the top 20 selling games of 2024.
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