Hello cb99,
our matchmaking does not work this way. It only puts players together based on vehicle tiers, classes, and roles together in a match. The rest is human influence on the battles' outcome.

I played just over 100 games and had a win rate of 34% ?????? Now I've played around 40 + games at a win rate of about 58% ???? I suggest you factor WTR into the MM or do something to balance the MM. My XVM mod shows the win chance pre-game, based on WIN8. If I see our win chance is 35% or less, we rarely win. During my 100+ games disaster, most games had a win % of 35% or under. Maybe its time to seriously "fix" your MM. You're ruining a great game.

Too late, people have been asking for at least a wnr balanced matchmaking but the lazy excuse is always "we don't want that".... keep ruining the game, it's not even a shadow of what it was when 1.0 released!

I went from 80% wins a few days ago that lasted two whole nights and then dropped down to 28% then 33% on the third day. When this happens i stop playing tanks like XM57 as it kills your win ratio i just play my already bad winrate Skorpion g until i see the bad matchmaker goes away.


Normally i play around 50% the T26E5 is a tank i play mostly and it had a 51% winrate and so for me matchmaker is either 50 or has big swings from 28 to 80%.


This systems pretty bad as a player, It lacks consistency for the player. And thus players become unhappy. Please dont gaslight me with "you would not like any changes" because i dont like the current system either!

today again almost every match completely lost within 3-4 minutes, bulls*** rigged matchmaking always for the premium tanks!
Worst matchmaking system in all of gaming!

About 2/3 of my matches are one sided blowouts over in around 5 mins. Intentional blowouts whether a win or a lose are just boring and cause me to quit after a few matches in a day. The worst is when WG rigs not only the MM, but then messes with RNG-Jesus too.

WG is pulling the bad players up with rigged matches, so they'll feel their winning enough to spend money.

I only play few months out of the year and it's really to the point of not even bothering.

Game is good fun when there's an actual match, but blowouts are ridiculously blatant!

Originally posted by CzechTower:

Hello cb99,
our matchmaking does not work this way. It only puts players together based on vehicle tiers, classes, and roles together in a match. The rest is human influence on the battles' outcome.

Just so you see there is not a single post ever with anything positive to say about your matchmaker. Whatever you did on EU1 i can state now nothing has changed. Can we therefor have the ability to record our match length? Just like we can see our session for WTR and average damage etc can we have battle duration added? You already have added average tier.

Originally posted by cb99:

As I see it a pretty clear proof of this is looking at my WN8 (hard MM makes it harder to score) with clearly visible of WN8 going in periods, IMO this was not the cases some years ago which is also clearly visible by choosing "WN8 By Period" and choose all time.

Look at your average tiers played (advanced->rolling averages->select Avg. tier).

Your average tier for your first 19 000 battles was 5.4, then you stopped playing against bots and tried your luck at higher tiers. In your last 4000 battles:
(tier6)M4A1 FL 10: 838 battles, 1796WN8, 54.2%WR
(tier8)SU-130PM: 561 battles, 1016WN8, 47.2%WR
(tier6)VK 30.01 P: 368 battles, 2386WN8, 57.3%WR
(tier9)DZT-159: 344 battles, 815WN8. 50%WR

In your last 2000 battles, the only tier 8 you played with more than 50 battles is the Gsor 1008. WG isn't manipulating the MM, you are simply not good enough for the higher tiers, and thus, you saw a dramatic decline in your WN8.

Last 4000 battles: 1423WN8, Avg. tier: 6.51
Last 2000 battles: 1696WN8, Avg. tier: 6.04
Last 1000 battles: 1478WN8, Avg. tier: 6.14

Originally posted by cb99:

Why do you get so bad MM using premium tanks with "credit booster" active?

You don't have a worse or better MM with a booster active. I played 1377 battles with boosters (100% XP, 50% credits, and 300% to free/crew XP) and averaged a 2371WN8 and 55.85%WR (Avg. tier: 8.3). Even the number of battles ending in 15-5 or less was the same as non-boosted battles.

Originally posted by cb99:

my result of that can as I see it be clearly seen over the Christmas event where I used a premium tank with "credit boosters" on.
To test this out just use a premium tank with "credit booster" on, play the same tank for like say 20 matches and see how that comes out for you.

20 battles is a ridiculous number. In my last 1000 battles, I played 29 battles with the Conqueror, averaging 2113WN8 and a 44.8%WR. In my last 3000 battles: 156 battles, 2514WN8, 56.1%WR. 20 battles is called cherry-picking.

Look at the tanks you played during Christmas: mostly the DTZ-159, SU-130PM, and Spaghetto 46. None in which you are doing exceptionally well. Your average tanks spotted per battle with the DTZ-159, a medium tank with boosters, is only 0.77 tanks. Were you snipping in the back?

Originally posted by cb99:

Or even play the same tank for a extended period of time and do not circle your garage also seams off in MM.

I am making a video about WOT, and I usually play with the same tanks for 100-200 battles in a row. I 3 marked the E 75 (139 battles), Object 705 (122 battles), and the mighty KV-2 (150 battles). No, your WR WN8, MM, teammate, or anything else isn't degrading over time if you play with the same tank.

Originally posted by Sgt.Johnson:

I played just over 100 games and had a win rate of 34% ?????? I suggest you factor WTR into the MM or do something to balance the MM. My XVM mod shows the win chance pre-game, based on WIN8. If I see our win chance is 35% or less, we rarely win. During my 100+ games disaster, most games had a win % of 35% or under. Maybe its time to seriously "fix" your MM. You're ruining a great game.

Which tanks did you play with in those 100 battles? What is your WN8? It happens to all of us.

Using the XVM mod to show the win chance is ridiculous. This mod doesn't take into account players using an anonymizer or a player's recent performance. Even 10 years ago, this mod wasn't used by anyone with an I.Q. over 70 because everyone knew it couldn't be trusted. Also, if your "win chance" is often lower than 35%, then the issue is probably you.

Originally posted by Zoiyya:

Too late, people have been asking for at least a wnr balanced matchmaking

Most players asking for a skill-based MM are trash/bad players who blame the game instead of, you know, working toward becoming better players. On average, the MM of both teams is balanced (1199 VS 1197 based on 3402 battles). We all have the same MM.

Originally posted by Zoiyya:

today again almost every match completely lost within 3-4 minutes, bulls*** rigged matchmaking always for the premium tanks!
Worst matchmaking system in all of gaming!

Premium tanks do not influence the MM. Losing streak is something we all have, but if it happens often to you, then you only have yourself to blame.

Originally posted by Rod:

Just so you see there is not a single post ever with anything positive to say about your matchmaker. Whatever you did on EU1 i can state now nothing has changed.

Sub-1000WN8 players screaming that the game is rigged or that WG is rigging their battle. I wonder why they don't have anything positive to say about the MM. WG can't fix the MM, because WG cannot control the most significant RNG part of the MM: the human part.

Originally posted by shi_mian_mai_fu:

Premium tanks do not influence the MM. Losing streak is something we all have, but if it happens often to you, then you only have yourself to blame.

Weren't there a few of old premium tanks that had preferential matchmaking[worldoftanks.eu]? Super Pershing was one or something?

Or has that been removed?

There are still a few tanks with preferential MM, but in general, premium tanks don't have a better MM than tech tree tanks (he was implying that the game was rigged in their favor).

Originally posted by Zoiyya:

Lmao still the same WG fanboy clownfarming and blaming the players instead of looking at the problems WG has caused over the years...

The guy who believes that WG is rigging the game against him is calling me a fanboy...

Originally posted by CzechTower:

Hello cb99,
our matchmaking does not work this way. It only puts players together based on vehicle tiers, classes, and roles together in a match. The rest is human influence on the battles' outcome.

Hi Thanks! for your answer.
Unfortunately this is not how I perceive the current situation.

But,
I did see browsing in the forum that you currently are working on changes regarding the MM in this post.
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/app/1407200/discussions/0/800059991004291699/#c591770005685714608

Could you please be so kind to elaborate a bit on what those changes might be and how it would/might change things for us users?
I do also wonder is this something that is running 24/7 or in periods?
If test is in periods, is there a way to know if a test is ongoing/scheduled?
Any ETA on these changes?

Thanks in advance for a answer.

Originally posted by shi_mian_mai_fu:

Originally posted by cb99:

As I see it a pretty clear proof of this is looking at my WN8 (hard MM makes it harder to score) with clearly visible of WN8 going in periods, IMO this was not the cases some years ago which is also clearly visible by choosing "WN8 By Period" and choose all time.

Look at your average tiers played (advanced->rolling averages->select Avg. tier).

Your average tier for your first 19 000 battles was 5.4, then you stopped playing against bots and tried your luck at higher tiers. In your last 4000 battles:
(tier6)M4A1 FL 10: 838 battles, 1796WN8, 54.2%WR
(tier8)SU-130PM: 561 battles, 1016WN8, 47.2%WR
(tier6)VK 30.01 P: 368 battles, 2386WN8, 57.3%WR
(tier9)DZT-159: 344 battles, 815WN8. 50%WR

In your last 2000 battles, the only tier 8 you played with more than 50 battles is the Gsor 1008. WG isn't manipulating the MM, you are simply not good enough for the higher tiers, and thus, you saw a dramatic decline in your WN8.

Last 4000 battles: 1423WN8, Avg. tier: 6.51
Last 2000 battles: 1696WN8, Avg. tier: 6.04
Last 1000 battles: 1478WN8, Avg. tier: 6.14

Originally posted by cb99:

Why do you get so bad MM using premium tanks with "credit booster" active?

You don't have a worse or better MM with a booster active. I played 1377 battles with boosters (100% XP, 50% credits, and 300% to free/crew XP) and averaged a 2371WN8 and 55.85%WR (Avg. tier: 8.3). Even the number of battles ending in 15-5 or less was the same as non-boosted battles.

Originally posted by cb99:

my result of that can as I see it be clearly seen over the Christmas event where I used a premium tank with "credit boosters" on.
To test this out just use a premium tank with "credit booster" on, play the same tank for like say 20 matches and see how that comes out for you.

20 battles is a ridiculous number. In my last 1000 battles, I played 29 battles with the Conqueror, averaging 2113WN8 and a 44.8%WR. In my last 3000 battles: 156 battles, 2514WN8, 56.1%WR. 20 battles is called cherry-picking.

Look at the tanks you played during Christmas: mostly the DTZ-159, SU-130PM, and Spaghetto 46. None in which you are doing exceptionally well. Your average tanks spotted per battle with the DTZ-159, a medium tank with boosters, is only 0.77 tanks. Were you snipping in the back?

Originally posted by cb99:

Or even play the same tank for a extended period of time and do not circle your garage also seams off in MM.

I am making a video about WOT, and I usually play with the same tanks for 100-200 battles in a row. I 3 marked the E 75 (139 battles), Object 705 (122 battles), and the mighty KV-2 (150 battles). No, your WR WN8, MM, teammate, or anything else isn't degrading over time if you play with the same tank.

First,
My preference regarding playing WoT is mid tier because IMO maps are more in harmony with tank performance, more historical tanks that did actually exist, more dynamic matches and yes there are a lot of players with many years in this game that do play in that segment of the same reasons, just check some players after battle and find out.

The bad "period" extended well over xmas event and the higher tier play, also a current "bad" period. Thing is that IMO those periods are a new thing and where not around before.
The xmas was a premium with booster on (same tanks and what I thinks that entail), and as you do know hard to preform when there is roll out's. GSOR short exception needed for campaign.

But,
I am happy for you that playing your premiums with boosters for a number of battles in a row that worked out nicely for you.
Personally I have tried this several times and with the same depressing result, please see a recent sample below.

Sample,
Of playing same premium over a number of battles in row, in this case credit booster not active for most of the battles.

OBS!: "Select Tier 6 and Heavy"
https://tomato.gg/stats/cb99-508016783/EU?tab=tanks&tiers=000001000&classes=HT&sort=dpg&direction=false

So check the premium ones and DPG compare with DPG for the rest in the selection, even parked backwards against enemy would render these result.
Also keep in mind as you all know that making damage in roll overs is so much harder to do, and a lot roll overs there where.

Anyone can make the simple test of take your best premium, turn on boosters like credit or other and play it for 20 matches straight, who knows maybe they get your good results but maybe my experience.

Also,
Whats your take on this?
(your comment on 1-19000 tier gives a skewed result, maybe 10.000-19.000 would be more correct? and more in line with then and now)

Do choose WN8, DPG, WR and XP
Scroll down to: "Overall Stats History"
https://tomato.gg/stats/cb99-508016783/EU?tab=advanced

Why do you think it is that WN8, DPG and XP all do rise but WR keeps declining?
Never mind xmas event that was a shorter period grinding credits with the best tools for it.

Even if I do "suck" the progress would at least stay stagnant and not decreasing or?
(playing my old park, with increasing crew skills)

Originally posted by shi_mian_mai_fu:

There are still a few tanks with preferential MM, but in general, premium tanks don't have a better MM than tech tree tanks (he was implying that the game was rigged in their favor).

No that is not at all what I am "implying".

Anyone can make the simple test of take your best premium, turn on boosters like credit or other and play it for 20 matches straight, who knows maybe they get your good results but maybe my bad experience.

Sample,
(for me it worked to replicate, not sure about others)
Of playing same premium over a number of battles in row, in this case credit booster not active for most of the battles.

OBS!: "Select Tier 6 and Heavy" and check out the premiums, take in account DPG and WR in respect to the other T6 heavy's.
https://tomato.gg/stats/cb99-508016783/EU?tab=tanks&tiers=000001000&classes=HT&sort=dpg&direction=false

Originally posted by cb99:

there are a lot of players with many years in this game that do play in that segment of the same reasons, just check some players after battle and find out.

Most players in the lower tiers play at those tiers because they aren't good enough for the higher tiers, and this can be easily proven by comparing the average WN8:
Tier 6: 1033
Tier 8: 1163 (+12.6%)
Tier 10: 1305 (+26.3%)

Don't get me wrong, you can play in low tiers all you want (I still play with the VK 36.01H and KV-2), but let's face it, 99.99% of the players at those tiers aren't there because they are super unicum. I also have the individual WN8 of 17 316 players (3920 with the KV-2), so I already did check some players after battles =)

Originally posted by cb99:

The bad "period" extended well over xmas event and the higher tier play, also a current "bad" period. Thing is that IMO those periods are a new thing.

Those periods are new because you play in higher tiers than usual. If you look at your average tiers played by weekly sessions, you will find 20 weeks with an average tier of 6 or higher, with at least 10 battles played. Of those 20 weeks, 15 were in 2025. You haven't played often with the T-28 and Pz. 38t in your last 3000 battles. Both tanks with your best stats.

Could it be possible that you're not playing with your strongest class?
E 75: 503 battles, 1417WN8
Tiger II: 234 battles, 1562WN8
AMX 50 120: 144 battles, 1353WN8
You are doing much better with your heavy tanks than your medium tanks.

Originally posted by cb99:

Anyone can make the simple test of take your best premium, turn on boosters like credit or other and play it for 20 matches straight, who knows maybe they get your good results but maybe my experience.

The problem is that 20 battles are not enough.
14/20 victory = 70%WR
11/20 = 55%WR
9/20 = 45%WR
Additionally, if you play with a premium tank and activate a booster, and then compare your results with those of another tank, your results may be misleading. For example, if I play 150 battles with my E 75 with an active booster, and then play 150 battles with the Spaghetto 46 without any booster, comparing both results won't be trustworthy. Both tanks have completely different playstyles, tiers, and MM. I'm also a much, much, muuuuuuuch better player with the E 75.

Originally posted by cb99:

Why do you think it is that WN8, DPG and XP all do rise but WR keeps declining?
Never mind xmas event that was a shorter period grinding credits with the best tools for it.

DPG is heavily influenced by the tiers played and shouldn't be taken into consideration. Your WR is, yes, declining, but at a very slow rate. From 53.89% (17 555 battles) to 53.31% (22650 battles), that's a mere 0.58% or 29 fewer victories in your last 5000 battles (if my maths are correct). I'm not sure you can call that a decline. Just blame RNG =)

Originally posted by cb99:

Even if I do "suck" the progress would at least stay stagnant and not decreasing or?

You do not suck. You are above average (to be honest, playing tier 5-6 helps boost your stats) and doing quite good with your heavy (tier 7+), and progress is a bit complex in this game. If you play with your best tanks, your progress/stats will rise. If you play with tanks that you aren't particularly good with, your progress/stats will go down. Also, a few percent variation in your stats is normal. RNG can be a ♥♥♥♥♥.

Originally posted by cb99:

No that is not at all what I am "implying".

You never did =) I was replying to Zoiyya, who believes that the game is rigged against him.