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Tentacule Un Seigneur 8 Jul @ 3:38am

They should get rid of Dodge Rolling and I-frames.

For their next game at least.

They would have to find different ways to balance combat if nothing you did made you invincible (Would also make a bit more sense, I can't help but find it absurd dodge rolling through dragon fire protects you from it).

I mean, if a person wearing full plate armor tried to roll in it......I wonder how many of their limbs would still remain unbroken by the time they finished.

But yes, I think the whole "Dodge rolling makes you invincible" should be replaced with more realistic dodging or guarding. Like if you are a light character, you could leap to either side or backwards to dodge (actually physically dodge) attacks.

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DragonSoundxSG has ELDEN RING

8 Jul @ 3:40am

100%. It's been a lazy crutch for too long.

The other day I cornered a player in PvP and he literally spammed light roll in the corner for about 20 seconds. Forgot I was playing ER.

And then I had to laugh when I literally rolled through Commander Gaius lol.

Last edited by DragonSoundxSG; 8 Jul @ 3:42am

Nauct

8 Jul @ 3:49am

Yeah they should make parry like Lies of P and just have like a short distance bloodborne dodge that doesn't have iframes, but you can avoid attacks by avoiding the actual hitbox.

Liquidized Soap has ELDEN RING

8 Jul @ 3:53am

Back in my day, people used Shields to Block Damage.

FreudsHedgeHog has ELDEN RING

8 Jul @ 3:54am

Play Sekiro then

Nauct

8 Jul @ 3:58am

Originally posted by FreudsHedgeHog:
Play Sekiro then

Parry too busted in Sekiro. Lies of P is what he should play

FreudsHedgeHog has ELDEN RING

8 Jul @ 4:00am

Originally posted by Nauct:
Originally posted by FreudsHedgeHog:
Play Sekiro then
Parry too busted in Sekiro. Lies of P is what he should play

Busted how?

Cheba

8 Jul @ 4:01am

Are you aware that realism isn't exactly priority #1 in a souls game?

Or are you just clown farming lol

Buddusky

8 Jul @ 4:02am

This so much.
This has been the longest lazy design that was ditched never to be re-evaluated. There shouldn't be any iframe b.ullshit of any kind on From's next game. Players should be conscious of their every move. Iframes turn the game into more arcadey stuff.

Last edited by Buddusky; 8 Jul @ 7:33am

Count von Bunnyhopven has ELDEN RING

8 Jul @ 4:04am

Originally posted by Nauct:
Yeah they should make parry like Lies of P and just have like a short distance bloodborne dodge that doesn't have iframes, but you can avoid attacks by avoiding the actual hitbox.

Lies of P also have I-frames on its dodges. Just fewer I-frames so its less reliable.

TheLuckyAce has ELDEN RING

8 Jul @ 4:07am

Originally posted by Tentacule Un Seigneur:
For their next game at least.

They would have to find different ways to balance combat if nothing you did made you invincible (Would also make a bit more sense, I can't help but find it absurd dodge rolling through dragon fire protects you from it).

I mean, if a person wearing full plate armor tried to roll in it......I wonder how many of their limbs would still remain unbroken by the time they finished.

But yes, I think the whole "Dodge rolling makes you invincible" should be replaced with more realistic dodging or guarding. Like if you are a light character, you could leap to either side or backwards to dodge (actually physically dodge) attacks.

You can roll in fullplate. You can jump, climb and do many many other things. Dont know what you expect but it is not like you are a brick as soon as you wear plate armor.

Overall - nice trollmove :D

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DragonSoundxSG has ELDEN RING

8 Jul @ 4:10am

Originally posted by TheLuckyAce:
Originally posted by Tentacule Un Seigneur:
For their next game at least.

They would have to find different ways to balance combat if nothing you did made you invincible (Would also make a bit more sense, I can't help but find it absurd dodge rolling through dragon fire protects you from it).

I mean, if a person wearing full plate armor tried to roll in it......I wonder how many of their limbs would still remain unbroken by the time they finished.

But yes, I think the whole "Dodge rolling makes you invincible" should be replaced with more realistic dodging or guarding. Like if you are a light character, you could leap to either side or backwards to dodge (actually physically dodge) attacks.

You can roll in fullplate. You can jump, climb and do many many other things. Dont know what you expect but it is not like you are a brick as soon as you wear plate armor.

Overall - nice trollmove :D

Can you provide evidence of someone roll spamming in plate armor? XD

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vamirez

8 Jul @ 4:13am

And once again I post this recent video that showcases how rolling is not as good as people think in a range of situations in Elden Ring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDhoDThUIHc

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Acpolax

8 Jul @ 7:49am

Originally posted by Tentacule Un Seigneur:
For their next game at least.

They would have to find different ways to balance combat if nothing you did made you invincible (Would also make a bit more sense, I can't help but find it absurd dodge rolling through dragon fire protects you from it).

I mean, if a person wearing full plate armor tried to roll in it......I wonder how many of their limbs would still remain unbroken by the time they finished.

But yes, I think the whole "Dodge rolling makes you invincible" should be replaced with more realistic dodging or guarding. Like if you are a light character, you could leap to either side or backwards to dodge (actually physically dodge) attacks.

In case you didnt notice
If you wear heavy armor your dodge rolls are way slower and less effective.
If you want to get the best possible out of your dodge rolls you need to wear almost no armor.
If you want damage reduction whithout dodge rolls just equip a shield and never let go off the L1 button.
However it wont even get more realistic if you use a shied cause your character can infiinitely hold guard position (as long as you dont get attacked) without getting titred of it and there is only one stamina bar for left hand (defense) and right hand (attack)

Last edited by Acpolax; 8 Jul @ 8:09am

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Silyon

8 Jul @ 8:03am

Originally posted by DragonSoundxSG:
Originally posted by TheLuckyAce:

You can roll in fullplate. You can jump, climb and do many many other things. Dont know what you expect but it is not like you are a brick as soon as you wear plate armor.

Overall - nice trollmove :D
Can you provide evidence of someone roll spamming in plate armor? XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1YEkuWYUKM

And others besides, do a google search. The idea that heavy armor restricts your movement in any way beyond being heavy is a modern myth perpetuated by tabletop games like D&D. If armor actually restricted your movement in any way, it would not have been worn on the field of battle because it would have become a liability to the soldiers wearing it, rather than a means of protecting them.

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NONAME

8 Jul @ 8:12am

Agreed.

In ER and, especially, the DLC the dodge roll mechanic looks more like an exploit, where you HAVE to roll into the boss's weapon swing/AOE/explosion in order to miraculously avoid damage.

Looks more like a bug than a feature, especially since the game doesn't explain the i-frames in any way.

Last edited by NONAME; 8 Jul @ 8:14am

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