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Shard of Manus 6 Jul @ 11:53am
Ranni's Ending [Lore Spoilers]:
If it's now established that the Outer Will has all but abandoned The Lands Between and hasn't been making contact with the Fingers for a very long time.

Could it not be said that Ranni's entire effort and all the sacrifices she made were for naught? She abandoned her mortal body, cursed Godwyn to an eternity of suffering and decay without true death, gave up her status as Empyrean and cast away her Great Rune.

She then slays her Two Fingers, vassals of the Greater Will that have long since lacked any connection to it - and seeks to usher in the Age of Stars, which would 'alleviate the world of the influence of the Greater Will'.

What she intends is true free will in the Lands Between, uninfluenced by Outer Gods - however, what remains is the influence of the Frenzied Flame, the Formless Mother, the remaining followers of the Greater Will, the Fell God etc.

And knowing that the Greater Will has made no contact in such a long time, supposedly before the formation of the Golden Order, the implication is that Ranni's actions have actually amounted to nothing. She tried to achieve what had already occurred without anyone's influence - the abandonment of God.

The Shattering suffers the same issues. Marika shatters the Elden Ring, plunges the world back into chaos as the demi-gods war and the Lands Between return to the Crucible.

I know the Crucible is often considered as something primordial and 'manifest', but I think the reality is that the Crucible is merely the world's natural state - and the Shattering returns it to that.

The approximate definition of Crucible (as you can find many) is a situation of severe trial, or in which different elements interact, leading to the creation of something new. Marika shattered the Elden Ring and imparted upon her children fragments of the Ring with the intent for the Golden Order to be broken into pieces and reforged through conflict and strength into something better.

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If they had simply been aware that the Fingers were not in communion with the Greater Will, Marika and Ranni could've both understood that their will was their own, and they were not subject to an Outer God. They needn't have done any of the convoluted and terrible things they did -- all based on a simple manipulation by the Two Fingers.

And so, to return to the question... is it not so that Ranni (and to an extent even Marika) have done all that they did for no reason at all, and it really was all just a big stupid mistake?
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Faust Wither 6 Jul @ 11:55am 
no, they still in bind of two finger even when the finger grow silent. even after marika destroy the elden ring, the old order still carry on.
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Dollmaker 6 Jul @ 12:18pm 
If I recall the Greater Will cut contact due to the Shattering, long after the Golden Order was formed.

And like Faust said, the Two Fingers were still active as seen how Ranni’s kept sending assassins after her, with the Baleful Shadows.

There’s also how the Greater’s Will influence stopped the world from healing, by blocking access to the Erdtree and the Elden Ring, which still had an effect on the world, such as the removal of the Rune of Death.

Ranni’s motives like stated is to get rid of all influence of the outer gods and give people their free will back, which also meant overthrowing what remained of the Golden Order.
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Rusted Cake 6 Jul @ 12:28pm 
Up until that ending The Greater Will is still the world's primary god. But it's influence is of an indirect nature. Sending various powerful (albeit bizarre) alien life forms to do it's bidding. Effectively controlling the world through a network of vassals which themselves have networks of servants. To put it humorously: Big old pyramid scheme.

The Elden Beast was in charge of Marika & the Fingers were in charge of the demi-gods. It was inevitable that the ambitious Marika & others would defy them. For why would a divine pantheon wish to be controlled/subservient to the mere servants of some distant alien being?
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Faust Wither 6 Jul @ 12:34pm 
also at start of the game i think radagon and marika are wishing the same thing, that is destroying the elden ring, both of them can be seeing at start where she become radagon.
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Dollmaker 6 Jul @ 3:20pm 
Originally posted by Faust Wither:
also at start of the game i think radagon and marika are wishing the same thing, that is destroying the elden ring, both of them can be seeing at start where she become radagon.
If you mean the cinamtic, thats actually Radagon attempting to fix the Elden Ring after Marika destroyed it.
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Faust Wither 6 Jul @ 6:45pm 
Originally posted by Dollmaker:
Originally posted by Faust Wither:
also at start of the game i think radagon and marika are wishing the same thing, that is destroying the elden ring, both of them can be seeing at start where she become radagon.
If you mean the cinamtic, thats actually Radagon attempting to fix the Elden Ring after Marika destroyed it.

maybe i was wrong then.
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zero 6 Jul @ 6:48pm 
i mean no, cause your entire argument is that the 2 fingers are taking time to send a message=/= the world isn't directly being influenced by the outer god of the golden order, which is obvious: its dog is the final boss you fight in the game.

on top of that, everything is still directly beinginfluenced by the golden order, even after the shattering, the fact that people cannot die shows that the rune of death is still removed even with everything going on. (this influence is why all tombs are like that, as example)

so no, her entire plan still has merit in removing outside influences and ensuring that the order she creates will have no impact upon the land betweens by removing it from said land.
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