Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

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Kyrandos 15 Sep, 2021 @ 8:11pm
THERE IS NO POOR WRITING IN THIS GAME (Chapter 1-2 spoilers)
Anevia - constantly lets mysterious figures infiltrate and interrogate various members of the camp over days/weeks worth of time - totally knows the queen was there, disguised all along.

Irabeth - Quivering and pissing herself during assault on Drezen - her soldiers literally had to take charge, try to their best to bolster both their own spirits as well as try to take care of her. Her men led while she cowered, quaking in her own filth. Then after the battle is over it's just back to business for her, except for a "No... my apologies commander. That is all." That ISN'T all. There's a pike on the northern pallisade. Get on it.

Anevia - Magically transgender trope, spoilered as it isn't revealed during ch 1-2 - when she's first introduced she's of course, suicidal. Yeesh. Cringe.

Dialogue choices constantly and consistently incorrect. No other way to phrase it. Lawful is not fun - Good, Lawful, Chaotic are jumbled up constantly, with only evil appearing halfway consistent. Many times the most acceptable option is the non alignment shifting option, which feels less rewarding. I want to participate in the shifting alignment meta - but why. What's the point.

Everything about Nenio sucks. Anime psychopath magicianologist. This dud would jump into an industrial sausage grinder claiming it was for science - and the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game wouldn't let me let her. JUST LET HER KILL HERSELF. PLEASE.

Staunton. For 75 years, Staunton has been living in shame in the precise vicinity of his disgrace. Despite being unfathomably tough and resoundingly senior - he remains a simple, perpetual soldier surrounded by peers who constantly bully him, and in a position where others are required to trust him with their life whether they like it or not. For 75 years he stays in direct proximity to the men and women and pedigrees which he betrayed. He does not change his job, move, or perform any action to change his scenery. Just... stews in it like a masochist, knowing the people surrounding him can't do anything about it either. Then one day, the demons show up and act like demons, and he's all in. He's angst-crying about how all the crusaders are bullies. Good lord. You literally allowed hell on earth and stick around like a cancer - refusing to leave. At least the alternate-take backstory located here makes a hell of a lot more logical sense: https://adelaide-wrath-of-the-righteous.obsidianportal.com/characters/staunton-vhane-1

Nurah. Another toad. She was enslaved and treated poorly. Somehow becomes a scribe and decides Demons are super cool - LETS BETRAY ALL CIVIL SPECIES! Proceeds to enter into a collaboration with literal hellspawn, actively directing the torturous abduction, enslavement, torture, and murder of countless people in an effort to end all life on the planet. Witness to the horrific mutilation, forced surgical rearrangement, torture, murder, and consumption of countless higher-sentient lifeforms - she's proud of it. And the LAWFUL option on what to do with her? "Jail time!"

At what point do we have to stop apologizing for lazy, uncreative writing? The companions are mostly flops. A handful are mildly interesting, such as Ember - but when I say there's a few companions where it's a struggle to remember they even exist - I'm paying them a compliment.

At least the gameplay is decent. ::notices the cavalier banner buff from a respec 30 hours ago:: Ok well, I mean it's not like characters get stuck in animations or anythi...

Ok ok, I mean it's not Cyberpunk level!

"In Chapter 5 don't skip the scene of getting a Mythic level, it may break the game:"

aaack thbbt
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Tanya Degurechaff 15 Sep, 2021 @ 8:18pm 
Evil being halfway consistent in the way that its cartoonisly evil most of the time.
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Tanya Degurechaff 15 Sep, 2021 @ 8:20pm 
That was a fun read and true, lets be honest we paid full price for an early acces game... it had no game breaking bugs before... now it does, (dotn loot killed companions)
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Kyrandos 15 Sep, 2021 @ 8:21pm 
Originally posted by Tanya Degurechaff:
Evil being halfway consistent is the way that its cartoonisly evil most of the time.

Quite right - but I'll TAKE cartoonishly evil. Playing an archtype is preferable to playing alignment tags with words you're best off not reading lest they anger you!
Kyrandos 15 Sep, 2021 @ 9:11pm 
Originally posted by Tanya Degurechaff:
That was a fun read and true, lets be honest we paid full price for an early acces game... it had no game breaking bugs before... now it does, (dotn loot killed companions)

You'd think we'd have learned our lessons from Kingmaker!
Tanya Degurechaff 15 Sep, 2021 @ 9:12pm 
Originally posted by Kyrandos:
Originally posted by Tanya Degurechaff:
That was a fun read and true, lets be honest we paid full price for an early acces game... it had no game breaking bugs before... now it does, (dotn loot killed companions)

You'd think we'd have learned our lessons from Kingmaker!
Yeah we're pretty stupid ourselves, haha!
wish they would stick the EA tag on it though.
B Unit 15 Sep, 2021 @ 9:14pm 
The writing does feel a bit 'fan fictiony' at times, for lack of a better word (amateurish seemed a bit harsh). It can add a certain level of charm to the game in some scenarios, facepalms other times.
RocketMan 15 Sep, 2021 @ 9:23pm 
Yeah, writing is crap, and the best characters are the damn background npcs.

Like that chap you kill, ciar's underling, some actual lore and backstory and if you also follow his god some unique dialogue options that really shine here.

Vs. Dealing with ciar. All that honorable nonsense thrown out, HAhA that boy died, and it was a me! mario! h'what are ya gonna do? An undermanned assault on my fortress of solitude?

Kyrandos 15 Sep, 2021 @ 9:52pm 
Originally posted by sweetchilliheat:
The writing does feel a bit 'fan fictiony' at times, for lack of a better word (amateurish seemed a bit harsh). It can add a certain level of charm to the game in some scenarios, facepalms other times.

Fanfiction is a great term for it. I don't recall the first game having stellar writing, but I felt far more engaged and at least moderately interested in the characters.

I just don't feel this is a role playing game. Through dialogue choice - I'm not who I want to be. It's almost like AI wrote the dialogue choices and they didn't clearly define what 'good, evil, chaotic, lawful' are.
Balabalalde 15 Sep, 2021 @ 10:01pm 
Some jokester made a thread a couple days ago about how WOTR was going to be a masterpiece like BG2 because of the writing.

That was a solid belly laugh.
lar unuruur 15 Sep, 2021 @ 10:03pm 
"everything woke turns sh.t"(trump)
Nelartux 15 Sep, 2021 @ 10:06pm 
Sounds like you want all characters to be robots and make always the most logical decision and never be wrong or have any feeling.
Castman 15 Sep, 2021 @ 10:08pm 
Don't disagree with most of this. Issue is, I'm struggling to think of a cRPG in the last 10 years that had GOOD writing. It's part and parcel with the genre, it's all tropey and cliche and kinda fanfic.
Daliena 15 Sep, 2021 @ 10:11pm 
I know I'll just get booed for it, but let's try to take a look at this..

Anevia - finds out about the mysterious stranger -who by the way keeps teleporting away as soon as confronted-, lures her into a trap and knocks the teleportation charm out of their hand.

Irabeth - just went through being stuck on a meathook by a sociopathic demon who delighted in torturing and converting everyone around her, people she's served with, into undead. Good golly, why would anyone have some PTSD from that?

Staunton - stuck around because, yaknow, HE WAS IN A PENAL LEGION. He didn't exactly have the option of leaving.

Nurah - "somehow" becomes a scribe, by being taught by her slave owner who wanted a more valuable slave. Is mistreated her entire life, decides that she may as well burn it all down because she hates the world due to the way it's treated her. It's almost like she's driven by suicidal levels of spite.

Yeah the game has flaws - a lot of flaws. But what you point out is just bad faith arguments to me.
Insanity_184 15 Sep, 2021 @ 10:19pm 
Originally posted by Kyrandos:
Anevia - constantly lets mysterious figures infiltrate and interrogate various members of the camp over days/weeks worth of time - totally knows the queen was there, disguised all along.

Who is she letting in? The mysterious elf? Ya backer quests can be weird how they are implemented but also Anevia wasnt a member of the crusade till act 3 and only becomes spymaster for you in act 4 also hard to stop someone that can teleport at will. In the end she had no responsibility to stop anyone. Also umm any idiot could of figured out the soldier with an armed paladin escort wasn’t a normal soldier.

Originally posted by Kyrandos:
Irabeth - Quivering and pissing herself during assault on Drezen - her soldiers literally had to take charge, try to their best to bolster both their own spirits as well as try to take care of her. Her men led while she cowered, quaking in her own filth. Then after the battle is over it's just back to business for her, except for a "No... my apologies commander. That is all." That ISN'T all. There's a pike on the northern pallisade. Get on it.

So did you miss the entire quest line in act 3 that she begged you to send her to the equivalent of a suicide cannon fodder squad as punishment? To which you could 100% say yes, jail her, or send her to die? That’s some selective cherry picking you’re doing.

Originally posted by Kyrandos:
Anevia - Magically transgender trope, spoilered as it isn't revealed during ch 1-2 - when she's first introduced she's of course, suicidal. Yeesh. Cringe.

♥♥♥♥ my character can turn into an undead skeleton, a quasi fairy, demon, angel, dragon, devil, swarm of bees, or a being of pure law and order but you draw the line at someone not wanting a penis as unbelievable writing?

Originally posted by Kyrandos:
dialogue choices constantly and consistently incorrect. No other way to phrase it. Lawful is not fun - Good, Lawful, Chaotic are jumbled up constantly, with only evil appearing halfway consistent.

Ya I agree. Alignment in general needs to end in dnd and pathfinder. It never makes any sense what so ever and never fits into any sort of believable category.

Originally posted by Kyrandos:
Everything about Nenio sucks.

Now listen closely…you can tell her no I don’t want you to join……GASP I know shocking lol. I don’t like regill so I don’t take him weird how that works.


Staunton. Ya he’s a trope on dwarves and full on Stockholm syndrome. He should of gone some where else. But he was also in a prison army and would be hunted the rest of his life. Oh and his entire family would be punished

Nurah. Imprisonment is lawful. Also in act 3 execution is the lawful choice after imprisonment. I swear you stopped in act 2 and refused to see where anything went past that.

Originally posted by Kyrandos:
At what point do we have to stop apologizing for lazy, uncreative writing?

You’re confusing your opinion with fact. People that disagree with you aren’t “apologizing” they enjoyed the game and you can’t understand that.


Originally posted by Kyrandos:
Ok ok, I mean it's not Cyberpunk level!

"In Chapter 5 don't skip the scene of getting a Mythic level, it may break the game:"

aaack thbbt

You didn’t play cyberpunk I take it cause that comparison makes no sense. Cyberpunk was 100% unplayable to a vast majority of its buyers, had 100x the resources/staff/ and time as this game, and was lied about and every turn. Cyberpunk I swear is gonna become the trope in gaming for a buggy game without anyone relizing how much they truly ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up compared to other games.
Last edited by Insanity_184; 15 Sep, 2021 @ 10:23pm
Ari 15 Sep, 2021 @ 10:19pm 
Yeah, I think this is why I can only play this game for like 20-30 minutes tops before I have to take a break each time. The writing is pretty bad. Just didn't enjoy it at all.
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