Ember did not revive, a archon demigod protected her by influencing one of the inquisitors present to pull her out of the fire and run away whit her. Said demigod is still protecting her to this day, it's where her magic power comes from.

Where did you get this information from? I've run multiple playthroughs on multiple mythic paths and have never acquired this information. Additionally, it seems to be contradicted by other information, including the bit on her on the loading screen. It states that she was burned at the stake but did not die, or something to that effect.

Additionally, this doesn't really solve any of the plot problems that I addressed. An inquisitor defying her leader in the midst of a public execution would be memorable to all involved, probably most notably Hulrun himself.

Second, run away with her to where? Ember's dialogue, including with Sosiel and Woljif, seems to indicate she's lived her entire life in Kenabres. If someone ran away with her to the local orphanage, that would be a terrible rescue attempt.

Originally posted by reidj062:

Where did you get this information from? I've run multiple playthroughs on multiple mythic paths and have never acquired this information. Additionally, it seems to be contradicted by other information, including the bit on her on the loading screen. It states that she was burned at the stake but did not die, or something to that effect.

Additionally, this doesn't really solve any of the plot problems that I addressed. An inquisitor defying her leader in the midst of a public execution would be memorable to all involved, probably most notably Hulrun himself.

Second, run away with her to where? Ember's dialogue, including with Sosiel and Woljif, seems to indicate she's lived her entire life in Kenabres. If someone ran away with her to the local orphanage, that would be a terrible rescue attempt.

It's part of the lore of the Empyreal lord that saved her Andoletta also known as the Grandmother Crow which is why Embers animal compagnion is a crow.It's also why Ember can cast spells as a witch despite having no Patron, she's getting her spells from her.

There's also no records about the inquisitor that saved her or where he took her, none that i could find anyway. Perhaps owlcat just didn't really think anybody would look that deep into how she survived.

Whit Archons not even being a part of this game it was a odd choice in the first place to have her be tied to one.

Originally posted by reidj062:

1. Why doesn't everyone in the city know who she is? Self-resurrection is unheard of. She would be a miracle child that would be remembered and talked about for centuries.

She was saved by a "knight" who died from his wound shortly after. There was no resurection. She doesn't know anything more about this knight ("divine" intervention, paladin, inquisitor, city guard.... nobody knows).

2. How does Hulrun not remember her when he runs into her? Are there just people coming back from being burned alive just every day in Kenabres?

Hulrun doesn't remember her. She remember him. He just say something like "your father and you probably deserved it".

3. Why didn't Hulrun just immediately kill her with his sword after she didn't burn? Presumably this was a one time "get out of death free" card. We know he wasn't moved to question his actions by this miracle.

I always assumed the knight who saved her wasn't seen. That kind of fire involve several victim, and with the crowd, the knights, the burning people and fire and smoke, it can be easy to miss I guess.

Hulrun doesn't remember someone interrupting a public execution? And wow, that knight must have had a mythical stealth score! Hundreds of onlookers, had to have gotten close enough to untie a person ACTIVELY burning at a stake without getting burned themselves, then sneaking away with the horribly burned child?

Plus, again, she lived her entire life in the same city. So terrible job hiding the child. You don't think the city prelate can look into orphanages any time he wants?

Also the loading screen actives contradicts the idea that she was saved: "A strange child of war - a witch who was burned at the stake, and yet survived. "

If she was saved by human intervention, of course she survived being at the stake. So you're either completely wrong (although I am seeing other people collaborate the same thing) or the writers did a terrible job explaining things (very believable, given everything else about Ember's storyline).

Originally posted by reidj062:

Hulrun doesn't remember someone interrupting a public execution? And wow, that knight must have had a mythical stealth score! Hundreds of onlookers, had to have gotten close enough to untie a person ACTIVELY burning at a stake without getting burned themselves, then sneaking away with the horribly burned child?

Plus, again, she lived her entire life in the same city. So terrible job hiding the child. You don't think the city prelate can look into orphanages any time he wants?

Ember burning was roughly at the peak of the "witch hunt" era of the crusades, when overzealous inquisitor (like Hulrun) and Baphomet cultist posing as Inquisitor burned hundreds, thousands of people over Mendev. Executions were likely on a daily basis, if not more. People were fleeing to avoid being "next", they didn't watch their neighbours burn. They were scared.
Also, there was a lot of conflict between orders and knights, as one can imagine. Desertion and disobedience was all too common. The church eventually called a crusade trying to bring some unity, and failed utterly. Eventually, Galfrey had to intervene to stop the massacre.

Imagine a daily pyre of dozen of people, screaming in pain while their loved ones try to free them with guards busy preventing them to reach the pyres, with the heavy could of smokes and the massive fires themselves. That's not hard to "sneak" in those conditions.



As for Hulrun, contrary to popular belief, he doesn't do door to door visit of orphanage to find new victims. And after burning literally hundreds of them, he certainly doesn't remember them all.

Also the loading screen actives contradicts the idea that she was saved: "A strange child of war - a witch who was burned at the stake, and yet survived. "

Contrary to what a lot of games portray, the human body is not actually flamable. It's made of 60-70% of water. It takes a long time to burn to death and need lots of help to do so. And all the while you suffer excruciating pain.
You can very much be "burned alive" and survive. Might make you wish you didn't tho.

If she was saved by human intervention, of course she survived being at the stake.

Sound like you answered your own question.
I'd like to point out to the word "survived". Survive mean you don't die. That's literally the definition of it.

So you're either completely wrong (although I am seeing other people collaborate the same thing) or the writers did a terrible job explaining things (very believable, given everything else about Ember's storyline).

Ember literally say that a "nice knight" saved her from burning, then died of his wound. I can hardly see how much clearer it can get.

The entire purpose of a public execution is to make people witness it. It's not optional. And do you know how long it takes thousands of people to flee a city? It's not easy even today, even with planes and cars. The sheer number of people involved overwhelms systems for mass travel.

So between hundreds of people watching, the fact that the girl in question is illuminated by an actively burning pyre, there's probably security to prevent anyone from mucking things up, the sheer number of onlookers you would have to force your way through...yes, it would be super hard to untie someone who is at the center of a public execution and spirit them away.

Additionally, the whole science of burning someone is completely pointless to bring up. Magic in PF regularly hand-waves science- people can become greatly bigger or smaller, increasing their mass. Energy and matter can essentially be wished into existence. And you know who can afford a lot of mages? That's right- a guy who owns an entire city.

Besides that, you do something often enough, you get pretty good at not mucking it up. Between a magical epidemic and a witch hunt, not to mention routine wishes for funeral pyres, it wouldn't be that hard to competently arrange someone to be burned.

Hulrun doesn't need to do door-to-door visits of the city orphanages. He's a prelate. He has people for that. He probably doesn't even need to justify such visits or display a warrant.

Re-look at the phrasing I used. It doesn't suggest that Ember survived through natural means. It suggests divine intervention. I'm not sure how much clearer I could get.

Oh, right, the nice knight that conveniently sneaked past several hundred people who were actively watching an execution, untied the screaming, on fire child, then quickly hustled the half-incinerated child into an orphanage and then conveniently died of wounds so that nothing further had to be explained and the writers could neatly wrap things up.

I'm sure no one would notice or say anything about seeing a child being covered in third degree burns after the report of a botched public execution of a heretic child.

I really like how you get numbers out of your bottom and make strawmen because you refuse to admit you just read it wrong. Hundreds of people in attendance ? Why not make it thousands ? Perhaps even Galfrey took an interest to ? Maybe Iomedae was watching ? Who knows, right ?
Knight save ember and die. Ember crawl somewhere and heal. Hulrun doesn't remember her because he burned thousands of people anyway. People didn't care either way because Hulrun is a fanatic and they are scared.
The end.
As for your handwave of logic for "lore" reasons, then go all the way. A vanish potion is cheap as hell. Invisibility potions are more expensive, but less so than true seeing.

Also, she never joined an orphanage. She lived in the street her whole life.


BTW :
"A strange child of war - a witch who was burned at the stake, and yet survived."
Survived means you don't die. If you die, whether you come back or not, you don't survive.
So yes, it's worded corretly. And nowhere there is a single mention of divine intervention.

If I remember correctly, after the Knight rescued her and die, everyone thought she was dead as well.

She survived and has been living as beggar every since.

So no. No one witnessed a miracle. She didn't resurrect, she just didn't actually die. The only thing a witness would have thought was: "Oh, that person hasn't finished dying yet."