Nicole had the choices dudeee..

To me the story is preety good, real life like story driven hehehe

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Nicole had the choices dudeee..

Yeah ... dudeee,


After the loading screen we sit in the car all equipped for suicide. This indicates to me a very strong thought about making it happen. Sure, you can turn off the engine, but why the heck in the first place?

If you like the story, then it is fine. I don't want to tell you otherwise, :)

I just wonder, if there are people out there who have the same thoughts, stumbled into the same problems like me with the story.

There is some things about that he knows Nicole and Rachel in the way he speak and what he says. If you want to find a little thing about that what Irving told you about you can find some drawings in one of the hidden crawl spaces around the house. (sorry for any mistakes )

I just didn’t like the ending, how could Nicole commit suicide? Stupid it all.

I didn't like the game's script either but some of the stuff you say "doesn't make sense" actually does within the game's narrative.

Rachel's ghost is real. There's no way this isn't true. On day 8 when Nicole wakes up in church not knowing how she got there, she says she only experienced sleepwalking once as a child and never again until she came to the hotel. When you get to the attic, the blackboard with "murderer" written on it turns around on its own, as does the door in the room where you find the camera crew's equipment.

TL;DR: Rachel's ghost can physically interact with the world around her, and as a result it's likely she's the one who took possession of Nicole's body to bring her to the church on day 8 and would later force her to lock herself inside her car to get revenge.

That's why all throughout the ending Nicole says she doesn't want to die but still turns on the car. I guess the choice to either let her die or have her fantasize about reviving the hotel can be seen as Rachel's ghost either achieving revenge on Nicole's family or changing her mind and instead believing in the idea that everything can go back to the way it was before.

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There is some things about that he knows Nicole and Rachel in the way he speak and what he says. If you want to find a little thing about that what Irving told you about you can find some drawings in one of the hidden crawl spaces around the house. (sorry for any mistakes )

I found the drawings and still ... it just seems to me very constructed and far fetched.

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I didn't like the game's script either but some of the stuff you say "doesn't make sense" actually does within the game's narrative.

Rachel's ghost is real. There's no way this isn't true. On day 8 when Nicole wakes up in church not knowing how she got there, she says she only experienced sleepwalking once as a child and never again until she came to the hotel. When you get to the attic, the blackboard with "murderer" written on it turns around on its own, as does the door in the room where you find the camera crew's equipment.

TL;DR: Rachel's ghost can physically interact with the world around her, and as a result it's likely she's the one who took possession of Nicole's body to bring her to the church on day 8 and would later force her to lock herself inside her car to get revenge.

That's why all throughout the ending Nicole says she doesn't want to die but still turns on the car. I guess the choice to either let her die or have her fantasize about reviving the hotel can be seen as Rachel's ghost either achieving revenge on Nicole's family or changing her mind and instead believing in the idea that everything can go back to the way it was before.

I totally agree about the ghost thing as far as Rachel obviously could ohysically interact. So far so good.

And still, what about the revenge? Is it a family thing?
Nicole was a girl herself. What on earth is her fault in all this? It makes no sense that Rachel wants her to commit suicide imho. Nicoles mother killed Rachel long ago an Nicoles mother is dead as well.
It seems to me - with the mannequins and the hockey stick, that at some point during plotting, the creators thought about Nicole as Rachels murderer and than abandoned the idea. Whether they thought it would be too controversial or I don't know.
The story fells so half way to me. Not really thought through, not really realistic, not really satisfying.[/spoilers]

I agree. Had to suspend my disbelief so hard for that final scene. I don't think it ruined the game for me, but I didn't like it.

Since you finished The Suicide of Rachel Foster wrap this one around your head Irving spent 10 years working with Leonard and fully knowing Leonard knocked up his 16 year old sister. Yeah, ewwwwwww

Um, I don't see how so many people seem to have not understood the ending but, Nicole isn't committing suicide, nor does she want to. Rachel's ghost is forcing her. This is insanely clear, what with Nicole protesting and asking Rachel why she's killing her anyway. The reason you're not able to turn off the car sooner is because you don't have a choice, just like Nicole. Just as we could do nothing but turn the car on, Nicole didn't get a say. The second we're able to turn the car off, it's because Nicole once again has control over herself.

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Um, I don't see how so many people seem to have not understood the ending but, Nicole isn't committing suicide, nor does she want to. Rachel's ghost is forcing her. This is insanely clear, what with Nicole protesting and asking Rachel why she's killing her anyway. The reason you're not able to turn off the car sooner is because you don't have a choice, just like Nicole. Just as we could do nothing but turn the car on, Nicole didn't get a say. The second we're able to turn the car off, it's because Nicole once again has control over herself.

This is exactly what I don't get. Why would Rachel/Rachels ghost try so desperatly to kill Nicole?
She was a kid herself when it all happend and her mother is dead.

Th "whole family revenge thing" is really thin, because we know so little about Rachel. Nicole hated Rachel for destroying her family. and before that, she was jealous of Rachel. And what about Rachel herself? Who was she? We know nothing about her except the few details Irving shares near the end.

I honestly don't think it's something worth reading into. Rachel's ghost was killed by a member of Nicole's family and her vengeful spirit lingers in the hotel waiting 'til she can take revenge however possible, even if it means killing Nicole rather than Claire.

It's something necessary for the game to have a horror aspect, maybe they thought the creepy hotel wasn't enough and wanted to crank things up with a killer ghost. It's not written very convincingly but most of the game's writing is shaky at best.

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Since you finished The Suicide of Rachel Foster wrap this one around your head Irving spent 10 years working with Leonard and fully knowing Leonard knocked up his 16 year old sister. Yeah, ewwwwwww

This is what I mean.

The whole Rachel/Leonard love stays so unclear to the point where the story is just sloppy fabricated.
Was it love? Was it abuse? What about Irving? The dialogues in the secret room hint the he was happy for his sister in some way that she found someone who loved her on the other hand he was forced to stay in her shadows.

I do not mind a story that leaves questions, that creates openness in a good way, but I do mind plotholes. And in this case is is just sad, because it could have been a great story, if we only get to know all the characters much better.

i think half of u are just upset that the main character potentially commits suicide and are uncomfortable with that. lil too heavy duty for ya.... i felt the story was fantastic the whole way through

My understanding with regard to how the ending played out was that Nicole, at some stage during the revelation of what had transpired between her Father and Rachel and with the final reveal of how her own mother actually killed Rachel and her unborn child, caused Nicole to suffer a complete mental break down, so much so that she ended up in her car ready to "join her family". Even if you decide to not go through with the suicide and turn off the ignition, going by what Nicole says its clear she's lost her mind.