You have an Overwatch authorised Game Ban. The smoke bug is taken into consideration when they make a collective decision and as bans can be significantly delayed due to an investigation; the reports filed to OW could have been made weeks ago.

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

You have an Overwatch authorised Game Ban. The smoke bug is taken into consideration when they make a collective decision and as bans can be significantly delayed due to an investigation; the reports filed to OW could have been made weeks ago.

I played yesterday evening, and everyone said that they were going to report me.
I was honest about everything and told them that I had the smoke bug, a bug that I wish I didn't have, but that I was sorry about it and suggested that both teams could play without smokes instead since I had the smoke bug. Thus, it would be equal for everyone.

Whenever I try to join a game now, it says that I have a VAC ban on record..
http://i66.tinypic.com/2vbpjqb.png

I've never cheated, and I've always hated the ones that do - but now, I'm the "cheater" for playing a game and "ab"using a bug that I couldn't do anything about.

I hope what you say is right and that this ban disappears from my, otherwise, clean record.

Originally posted by Nima♞:

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

You have an Overwatch authorised Game Ban. The smoke bug is taken into consideration when they make a collective decision and as bans can be significantly delayed due to an investigation; the reports filed to OW could have been made weeks ago.

I played yesterday evening, and everyone said that they were going to report me.
I was honest about everything and told them that I had the smoke bug, a bug that I wish I didn't have, but that I was sorry about it and suggested that both teams could play without smokes instead since I had the smoke bug. Thus, it would be equal for everyone.

Whenever I try to join a game now, it says that I have a VAC ban on record..
I've never cheated, and I've always hated the ones that do - but now, I'm the "cheater" for playing a game and "ab"using a bug that I couldn't do anything about.

I hope what you say is right and that this ban disappears from my, otherwise, clean record.

Once again; you have a Game Ban:-

http://gtm.steamproxy.vip/profiles/76561197962758350
1 game ban(s) on record | Info
0 day(s) since last ban

It is almost impossible for Overwatch to act this quick on reports so whatever you did; it was recently and not yesterday and the in-game evidence was collectively determined as cheating. Any bugs associated with the game are taken into consideration but cheating and/or using exploits to gain an advantage will result in a permanent ban. The pinned thread explains this so have a read.

Originally posted by Nima♞:

Here are the facts.

I think you need to reevaluate your understanding of the word 'fact'.

As an example, here's the OED definition:

"Fact - noun
A thing that is known or proved to be true:
‘the most commonly known fact about hedgehogs is that they have fleas’"

Therefore, the facts in this case are:

1) You pirchased a license which is still perfectly valid and working as intended. You are entitled to play the game in accordance with the agreements made.

2) Since you became aware of the glitch, you chose to continue to play, and change windows focus to exploit the glitch, despite very clearly agreeing on the definition of 'cheat' with Valve. You have the control over whether to continue this manner of exploitation or not. This was your purposeful choice.

3) Videogame performance is most affected by the client system and settings. Unfortunately, many 3rd parties do not adhere to conventions and standards, such as drivers and hardware configurations which do not perform entirelas intended.
If this 'bug' was entirely due to developer error, it would not only be easier to remedy, but would appear identical on all systems running the game. As it happens, it only occurs under certain specific conditions dependant on user setup which is NOT a clean test system - this is therefore, the purview of the end user to ensure their system meets the necessary requirements.

i ahve the same bug im banned i want to play csgo

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

Originally posted by Nima♞:

I played yesterday evening, and everyone said that they were going to report me.
I was honest about everything and told them that I had the smoke bug, a bug that I wish I didn't have, but that I was sorry about it and suggested that both teams could play without smokes instead since I had the smoke bug. Thus, it would be equal for everyone.

Whenever I try to join a game now, it says that I have a VAC ban on record..
I've never cheated, and I've always hated the ones that do - but now, I'm the "cheater" for playing a game and "ab"using a bug that I couldn't do anything about.

I hope what you say is right and that this ban disappears from my, otherwise, clean record.

Once again; you have a Game Ban:-

http://gtm.steamproxy.vip/profiles/76561197962758350
1 game ban(s) on record | Info
0 day(s) since last ban

It is almost impossible for Overwatch to act this quick on reports so whatever you did; it was recently and not yesterday and the in-game evidence was collectively determined as cheating. Any bugs associated with the game are taken into consideration but cheating and/or using exploits to gain an advantage will result in a permanent ban. The pinned thread explains this so have a read.

I updated my previous post with a picture that says that I have a VAC ban on record.
I'm hoping you're right though!

Also, here's a set of pictures from the game chat from yesterday.
http://oi63.tinypic.com/21311xc.jpg - that shows that I am sorry about "ab"using the bug but that I tried to fix it without any positive results.
----- I did however fixed itself when I updated the graphic drivers ------

Originally posted by Commander Makara:

Originally posted by Nima♞:

Here are the facts.

2) Since you became aware of the glitch, you chose to continue to play, and change windows focus to exploit the glitch, despite very clearly agreeing on the definition of 'cheat' with Valve. You have the control over whether to continue this manner of exploitation or not. This was your purposeful choice.

This is not a fact,
Yes, I continued to play a game that I have payed for - as is my right to do.
I suggested, in the open chat, that both teams should agree to play without smokes to even it out.
If you need proof of this, I can take a print-screen from the game dialogue!

Originally posted by Nima♞:

I updated my previous post with a picture that says that I have a VAC ban on record.
I'm hoping you're right though!

The message is generic, it applies to both Game bans and VAC bans, the resultant effects of the bans are equivalent. You can check the actual bans on your account by viewing your account profile page. It clearly notes that you have 1 Game Ban.

I did however fixed itself when I updated the graphic drivers

Again, evidence that this is not a fault of the developers, but your system setup for which you are responsible. Iä'm sure they will accept your apology.
Updating drivers is one of the first checkpoints on discovering that your product display is not performing as expected.
I'm glad you identified the ssue and that this experience should serve you in future.

Originally posted by Nima♞:

Originally posted by Commander Makara:

2) Since you became aware of the glitch, you chose to continue to play, and change windows focus to exploit the glitch, despite very clearly agreeing on the definition of 'cheat' with Valve. You have the control over whether to continue this manner of exploitation or not. This was your purposeful choice.

This is not a fact

actually it is

Originally posted by Nima♞:

Yes, I continued to play a game that I have payed for - as is my right to do.

and valve banned you based on results from the overwatch system - as is their right to do

Originally posted by Nima♞:

I suggested, in the open chat, that both teams should agree to play without smokes to even it out.
If you need proof of this, I can take a print-screen from the game dialogue!

intent isn't relevant, result is

Originally posted by Nima♞:

This is not a fact

Yet again, I ask you to reevaluate your understanding f the meaning of the word. I provided an example above.
In my opinion, (and yes, I'm somewhat old-fashioned) I believe that if you do not understand the meaning of a word, you shouldn't use it.

Originally posted by Nima♞:

Yes, I continued to play a game that I have payed for - as is my right to do.

Again, you did not pay for a game (unless you specifically paid entrance fee as contestant for an official copetition. Any other charges for playing CSGO (Not including paid time on specific computers such as privately between friends or a 'net caf€ etc.) are possibly illicit and should be reported to Valve.

Any rights you hold specifically with regards to Steam and subscriptions thereof, exclusing those as permitted by law in your locale, are reserved according to the SSA and any applicable licensing specirfications.
A game ban only prevents access to VAC-secured servers for which you were never granted any right, only that you were not automatically rejected. This is in line with the agreement made.

I suggested, in the open chat, that both teams should agree to play without smokes to even it out.
If you need proof of this, I can take a print-screen from the game dialogue!

Proof of what? That you admitted to blatantly cheating whilst trying to encourage others to do likewise? That is not in any way making your argument sound any more reasonable.

Originally posted by Commander Makara:

The message is generic, it applies to both Game bans and VAC bans, the resultant effects of the bans are equivalent. You can check the actual bans on your account by viewing your account profile page. It clearly notes that you have 1 Game Ban.

Alright, one thing sorted out then.
Next question is how long I'll be unable to play for?
And if this "ban on record" will go away or not?

Originally posted by Commander Makara:

Again, evidence that this is not a fault of the developers, but your system setup for which you are responsible. I'm sure they will accept your apology.
Updating drivers is one of the first checkpoints on discovering that your product display is not performing as expected.
I'm glad you identified the issue and that this experience should serve you in future.

I'm also glad that it's sorted out now. But it's not my FAULT.
Before the update, I could see the smokes just fine. So by updating the game, the developers created a bug that I was unaware of until I started to get reported, repeatedly.

Originally posted by GamerNato:

intent isn't relevant, result is

It is relevant as far as sportsmanship goes.
Outside the gaming world I'm an elite athlete who compete on a high level and to me, showing good sportsmanship is tremendously important. And I don't differ e-sport from any other sport. Good sportsmanship should always be shown from both teams.
Now, I can't force my opponents to play without smokes but I suggested it and that shows that I was willing to balance the game by removing my unfair advantage.

Originally posted by Nima♞:

Alright, one thing sorted out then.
Next question is how long I'll be unable to play for?
And if this "ban on record" will go away or not?

permanent, never going away under any circumstances (except for account termination obviously)

Originally posted by Nima♞:

I'm also glad that it's sorted out now. But it's not my FAULT.
Before the update, I could see the smokes just fine. So by updating the game, the developers created a bug that I was unaware of until I started to get reported, repeatedly.

the glitch's existance is not your fault, but you can't prove that you weren't abusing it and of course we can only assume that is the reason for your ban

Originally posted by Nima♞:

Good sportsmanship should always be shown from both teams.

welcome to the internet

Originally posted by Nima♞:

Now, I can't force my opponents to play without smokes but I suggested it and that shows that I was willing to balance the game by removing my unfair advantage.

and yet again thats not how it works, look at it from valve's perspecive

there are thousands of people cheating regularly, they can't just let people go because they say it was their "friend" or "sibling" or they "just accidentally left cheats running and hooked into CS:GO while playing competitive", and now adding "not my fault i could see through the smoke"

Originally posted by Commander Makara:

Originally posted by Nima♞:

This is not a fact

Yet again, I ask you to reevaluate your understanding f the meaning of the word. I provided an example above.
In my opinion, (and yes, I'm somewhat old-fashioned) I believe that if you do not understand the meaning of a word, you shouldn't use it.

Originally posted by Nima♞:

Yes, I continued to play a game that I have payed for - as is my right to do.

Again, you did not pay for a game (unless you specifically paid entrance fee as contestant for an official copetition. Any other charges for playing CSGO (Not including paid time on specific computers such as privately between friends or a 'net caf€ etc.) are possibly illicit and should be reported to Valve.

Any rights you hold specifically with regards to Steam and subscriptions thereof, exclusing those as permitted by law in your locale, are reserved according to the SSA and any applicable licensing specirfications.
A game ban only prevents access to VAC-secured servers for which you were never granted any right, only that you were not automatically rejected. This is in line with the agreement made.

I suggested, in the open chat, that both teams should agree to play without smokes to even it out.
If you need proof of this, I can take a print-screen from the game dialogue!

Proof of what? That you admitted to blatantly cheating whilst trying to encourage others to do likewise? That is not in any way making your argument sound any more reasonable.

Look, you can bring up the bureaucracy as much as you want but we both know that VAC is here to make sure CHEATERS doesn't ruin the game for everyone else.
Not to ban guys who unwillingly, and purposelessly (two big differences) were exploited to a smoke bug caused by the developers.

The difference here is that I did not download a cheat with the intent of cheating.
I did what I could (to the best of knowledge) to even the game by suggesting a smoke-free game.

And more thing, I didn't notice the smoke bug until it was too late and I was already reported.
I am not blaming this in a sibling, or a cousin - I take full responsibility for the two games I played last night where I got reported.
But banning me for cheat, when I have clearly not been cheating, that's not reasonable nor is it in any way logical.

Originally posted by Nima♞:

Originally posted by Commander Makara:

Yet again, I ask you to reevaluate your understanding f the meaning of the word. I provided an example above.
In my opinion, (and yes, I'm somewhat old-fashioned) I believe that if you do not understand the meaning of a word, you shouldn't use it.


Again, you did not pay for a game (unless you specifically paid entrance fee as contestant for an official copetition. Any other charges for playing CSGO (Not including paid time on specific computers such as privately between friends or a 'net caf€ etc.) are possibly illicit and should be reported to Valve.

Any rights you hold specifically with regards to Steam and subscriptions thereof, exclusing those as permitted by law in your locale, are reserved according to the SSA and any applicable licensing specirfications.
A game ban only prevents access to VAC-secured servers for which you were never granted any right, only that you were not automatically rejected. This is in line with the agreement made.


Proof of what? That you admitted to blatantly cheating whilst trying to encourage others to do likewise? That is not in any way making your argument sound any more reasonable.

Look, you can bring up the bureaucracy as much as you want but we both know that VAC is here to make sure CHEATERS doesn't ruin the game for everyone else.
Not to ban guys who unwillingly, and purposelessly (two big differences) were exploited to a smoke bug caused by the developers.

The difference here is that I did not download a cheat with the intent of cheating.
I did what I could (to the best of knowledge) to even the game by suggesting a smoke-free game.

Read here about Game Bans http://gtm.steamproxy.vip/discussions/forum/9/620712364027233611/

Originally posted by Nima♞:

Look, you can bring up the bureaucracy as much as you want but we both know that VAC is here to make sure CHEATERS doesn't ruin the game for everyone else.
Not to ban guys who unwillingly, and purposelessly (two big differences) were exploited to a smoke bug caused by the developers.

The difference here is that I did not download a cheat with the intent of cheating.
I did what I could (to the best of knowledge) to even the game by suggesting a smoke-free game.

VAC didn't ban you, OVERWATCH did, very different systems

and as i said, intent is not taken into account, because it is impossible to dettermine