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What did you do all this time before the patch? Spam P4s/Panther and PGrens for victory? Did you not learn how to play doing that? Well no suprise.
Despite his poor English and empassioned criticisms, he does have a point. Soviets are too strong as they are, that or the Germans are now pathetically weak.
This shows especially in the early game where Soviets will roll over most early German units with little to no thought put into their tactics or approach.
On numerous occasions I've noted that Conscript and Clown Car spam are favored, as are Maxim Spam. Not only this, but when I deployed Grenadiers to cover, the Soviet player would order his Conscripts to charge across open ground and even negative [red] cover receiving very few, if any losses on his part. With the close up advantage, of course his Conscripts would begin to chew up my helpless Grenadiers.
Now of course the I would concede that the late armor game needed changing so that the Germans did not steam roll any longer, but the sad truth is that with the last patch, came a series of arbitrary nerfs to the German infantry, making the Panzergrenadiers pathetically weak, the Grenadiers inaccurate and weak as well as without the tools to act as equalizers. (LMG-42 and G43 combo is now gone as well as lack of LMG-42 in the early game with the tech delay)
All in all it's been a poor patch, more and more Soviets daily are learning how easy it is to steamroll the German players, and the only way to lose to the Germans is to be overly defensive or apprehensive in the early game.
Which is where you are completely wrong. Ostheer players need to learn that it is no longer possible to simply sit things out early on and just tech as fast as possible. The "steamrolling" Soviets do in the early game is bound to a heavy investment. Unless you make one yourself, there is no reason you should win. It´s as easy as that.
All those players think it´s still aplicable that fast tech equals winning. That´s not the case. Spend your ressources on early game combined arms or die teching up as fast as possible...
Im am just going to ignore you for now. If you don't have any arguments beside being a Sovjet fanboy then don't say anything.
I am a player of both factions. I play this game since Beta, so do't call me a noob. Before the latest patch i almost always won my games. Now i am noticing that you only have to spam to win whit Sovjets and don't have to use tactics or have any skill at all. German infantry does die whitin a second now even when vet 3. Compared to Sovjet infantry and there supporting units German infantry is useless. I could not even kill a Sovjet sniper when my Haftrack and Mg where firing on it for several seconds it could easily retreat whitout almost no damage.
Even when you keep destroying endless hordes of Sovjet units and are controlling the map it is almost impossible to win now. Every Sovjet unit seem to be as good or better then the German counter part and whit more men and earlyer to get and in higher numbers.
It does not mather how many Sovjet units i destroy they keep coming. And even when i for example (really hapend) outflank a t34 whit my PZIV my shots bounce of. And i got destroyed and only got one hit, when i was firing at his side, whit my frontal armor pointed at him.
At this point it is neither fun to play as Sovjets or German or you should like a easy win then you can go Sovjet. All German squads are almost useless now. The Germans are getting weaker whit each patch and the Sovjets stronger.
THE BALANCE OF THE GAME HAS NEVER BEEN SO BAD AS NOW.
Only thing you have to do to win whit Sovjets is rush don'care about your flank or outflanking just Rush and win.
Okay, either you didn't read what I posted, or you're just spewing stupidity and hate towards Werhmacht players...
I said quite clearly, THE LATE GAME NEEDED REWORKED!
The EARLY GAME is firmly in the favor of Soviet players though, where no manner of combined arms can counter the Soviet spam. (massing of one or two unit types)
and like I said, all a Soviet player has to do to win is to mass troops and throw them at the Germans in the early game. I guarantee that no matter what cover, tactics, or strategies the Germans use, no matter what combined arms, they will almost certainly fail, or barely overcome through extreme frustration and difficulty that will leave them bitter about the game. I would know, I chose to stop playing over how frustrating the game had turned.
+1
People need to understand that the game is different now. You can't just A-move panther/pzgren blobs for victory. I think the ease with which a lot of players won using those methods gave a false sense of skill but now the game has bene balanced those same players are struggling to change.
Adapt or die.
THIS. And that is what us soviet players have done since release. Early on, Germans would just lolpantherrush and then lolpgrenblob rush all the way to victory. Now that the game requires thinking, the majority of the german players are spamming "OMG OP RUSSIA NERF NAO."
I am playing Germans as well as Rus now. Since the patches, I have been doing both. People spaz about AT Grenade on scripts when chasing a sniper. Easy. DONT LET THE SCRIPTS GET WITHIN THROWING RANGE. I kite them around and let them rush at me. Then back up. Its surprisingly easy and can get your car to super high vet fast. However, the moment you see a AT gun, run away and then try to flank it with the car. They nade your car on a flank? AT gun will start turning. Then rush in some PGrens or rifle nade it and you easily got that.
Tactics. Tactics are glorious now. Its no more A-Move PGrens / grens / Panther spam anymore.
Fixed that for you.
I can't help it but your sugestions are insulting.
Because you are asuming that all players that ran against these problems are morrons,idiots or noobs.
WHO WINS SHOULD NOT DEPEND ON THE BALANCE BUT ON THE PLAYER.
And if even when you are doing everything by the book still get ouspammd whitin 5 min every game (since latest patch), then is there something wrong whit the balance. As one factions has the advantage over the other all game long. How can you then speak of balance ? But some guys just want to say a other thing then everyone just to be different. It is just a fact that the balance never has been as worse as now. Dossents of experienced players are agreeing whit this on me.
faust. Mg42.
Job done.
Wow. Wowww.
- conscripts are 240 MP. Grenadiers are 240 MP. They both have the same manpower income. How the heck do Soviets spam?
-"hordes of Soviets". 4 men vs 6 men. 2 men difference. Such horde.
- "Grenadiers with vet 3 die as easy as pioneers" . . .
Grenadiers
Veterancy 2
+25% Range on Rifle-grenade
+40% Accuracy
Veterancy 3
+30% Armor
-20% Cooldown
-25% Recharge on Panzerfaust
(from coh2 changelog)
- "Soviet snipers are indestructible" ... ...
-T34's also had their cost increased for their performance. Sure, the panther has recieved a "cost nerf", but claiming a T34 can defeat German tanks with ease is just pure ignorance.
- replay please of that tank battle? You seem to be raging on the forums because of one encounter.
- Looking at the patch logs, I don't see a linear boost to the Soviets. Try playing with the Soviets for once.
Why people always have to come whit ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ points like play whit Sovjet once, if you did have the ability to read you should read that i play as Sovjet as much as whit Germans. If your points actually did maked any sence then how can you explain me that i am going from winning almost almost all my games (wehr) to losing (after latest patch) them you can't. And if i play whit Sovjets almost have to do nothing to win.
Just played a game were i could hardly make one PZIV and my can trow oponnent 8 T34 in a 2vs2 game. And it is not just one game it happens almost every game now even when you control the map. One hatrack whit AA Could alone destroyed 4 of my squads AT, 2 Grens, MG tell me why is a unit whit much lesser cost much better then all these combinded? The only answer can be that the balance is incorrect. How can my oponnent gain way more resources and get tanks earlyer when we control haf of the map.
THERE IS ONLY ONE OPTION THAT MAKES SENCE THERE IS NO BALANCE.
- Really, all we have as proof is "your word". and that isn't a fact, it's an opinion. Opinions don't do balance.
- 8 T34's. 8. That's 800 fuel and 2480 manpower. And you could "hardly make one PZIV" in the meantime. Sorry, but that's a bit unbelievable since T34 costs "slightly" less than the PZIV does. Even with Soviet industry, tank production should be slower due to manpower shortage.
- I'll tell you. The halftrack has been greatly buffed (with cost raised of course), and nope, you can't storm with your supreme panzergruppe towards it without suffering any damage. Just like conscripts can't oorah ostwind without suffering damage (bad example though). The M3 halftrack however comes in the MIDDLE GAME, by then you should at least have some form of AT, be it tanks or paks or panzershrecks (less optimal)?
-"How can my oponnent gain way more resources and get tanks earlyer when we control haf of the map."
I know. He doesn't. Sure, his T34 will come before your tanks, but that's only a short window of opportunity. I'm not sure how you're convinced the enemy has more resources than you have?
Balance is greater than before. If you want to reverse the situation to the pathetic 280 MP 95 fuel T34, the supreme panther (vet2), all-annihilating panzergren blobs ...
you had better provide better arguments ...
You don't have to agree whit me, but stop doing like everyone that does not agree whit you (or is telling about his experience) is a lying noob. I am going to use the same pacetic argument as u before play Germans sometime. You seem to have problems whit reading i did have PAKs.
And if you want to know the reason how they can have tanks earyler and in higher number is that the German units die so easy that you have to waste lots of resources to build new ones, were Sovjets can almost always retreat you have to retreat now almost if your squad loses 1 guy or risk losing it 1 a sec.
The T34 was much worse when it was cheaper compared to the German counterpart so that argument makes no sence now there are matched ecually but the diffrent is, it's easyer to get.The little higher cost does not make up for the chance of performance. If you don't get doctrinel units you are skrewed.